Live 7's Missing Features?

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Kodama
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Live 7's Missing Features?

Post by Kodama » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:45 pm

It's cool that 7 has the slicer, side chain (although only in some effects) & drum map thing, but I sure hope it's more stable, because none of the things I was hoping for are there.

- No record automation to Session (what the F*CK?)

- No midi learn improvements

- Still only 8 knobs per rack

- No custom automaps

- Operator never got the features it was missing from Sampler (midi mod matrix, envelope curves, etc..)

- Track organization is introduced, but only for the drum rack?

- Better filter, but only for Analog, instead of for Operator, Sampler. Autofilter, etc..

- 128 Published parameters plugin limit (promised fix in V4)

Overall, I think it's a good enough upgrade to get, I just was REALLY hoping for midi learn and record automation to Session (since version 1).

What about you guys? What were you hoping for?
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Post by smutek » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:47 pm

Tablet support. That's pretty much it for me.

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Post by subSonik » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:49 pm

What kind of MIDI Learn Features are you looking for?

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Re: Live 7's Missing Features?

Post by Machinate » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:50 pm

Kodama wrote:- Better filter, but only for Analog, instead of for Operator, Sampler. Autofilter, etc..
Actually, the filter control is quite a bit smoother now, on all fronts.

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Re: Live 7's Missing Features?

Post by earwax » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:55 pm

Kodama wrote: - 128 Published parameters plugin limit (promised fix in V4)
someone PLEASE tell me this isn't true...

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Re: Live 7's Missing Features?

Post by glu » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:01 pm

Kodama wrote:
- No record automation to Session

- No midi learn improvements

- Still only 8 knobs per rack

- No custom automaps

- Track organization is introduced, but only for the drum rack?

- Better filter, but only for Analog, instead of for Operator, Sampler. Autofilter, etc..

- 128 Published parameters plugin limit (promised fix in V4)
what i quoted above and:

multiview- sends arranger to one monitor and session to the other. :?

single key commands

more customizable:viewing options for mutliple clips, track colors, etc.

new warp modes- better sounding and/or less CPU intensive.

impulse improvements?


Overall, there are some major improvements. I am still a bit unsure about the direction ableton has gone with their niche instruments. I am going to sit tight until I can beta test, but I do not see anything revolutionary about them except, in fact, they appear to be recycled programming to some extent. That puzzles me, but for some reason I do not think I see the whole picture just yet...
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Re: Live 7's Missing Features?

Post by ilia » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:06 pm

Hmm. I find a lot features I really need to finish productions in Live are still not there; mainly:

- Fades/crossfades

- Comping/multiple takes

- Track groups/Proper buses/Track folders/Clip groups

- No full merge of sets; can't even reorder return tracks

I've been using Live for about 4 years now and despite including some important improvements, this is by far the least exciting update for me personally.

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Post by Kodama » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:08 pm

Oh it looks the track folding works for Instrument racks also.

I wish it worked for audio effect racks in an audio track or for impulse by itself.

Normalize sample would have been nice.

I see that sampler didn't get zone editing for filter, etc...

Did Operator get anything at all?
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Post by kabuki » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:10 pm

Missing also:

Effects step sequencer (similar to Glitch).

Scratching/scrubbing instument/parameter.

Multi-cue points per track

THE EDIT BUTTON... (as far as I can tell).
15" PB 2.5 Ghz, 4 Gig RAM, 750 GB HD, Live 9 still no cue points or program change messages?!?. Doesn't do shit.

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Post by deva » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:11 pm

Kodama wrote:
Did Operator get anything at all?

Someone said Operator got a high quality mode... oversampling I guess so you get smoother highs if you want em

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Post by kabuki » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:16 pm

And the BIG one: NO OSC SUPPORT.
15" PB 2.5 Ghz, 4 Gig RAM, 750 GB HD, Live 9 still no cue points or program change messages?!?. Doesn't do shit.

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Post by Kodama » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:17 pm

It's also kinda weird that there's no splines in automation yet.
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Post by ARDJ » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:17 pm

can you type in ANY midi cc value's manually?

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Post by Kodama » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:20 pm

You mean on midi learn? - No
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Post by Kodama » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:21 pm

It seems kinda weird that analog costs almost as much as Zebra and more than Twin?
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