Why is fixing midi jitter a feature in 7 and not a fix in 6?

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Why is fixing midi jitter a feature in 7 and not a fix in 6?

Post by Vertical » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:31 pm

7 surely has it's share of new features, but the midi jitter timing improvement seems more like a bug fix to me. It should be included in an update of 6. Am I right?

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Post by trip_out » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:33 pm

They've had advice from NI to the contrary ;)

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Post by ethios4 » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:40 pm

Not if fixing it required a reworking of Live's core MIDI handling.

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Post by Vertical » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:43 pm

ethios4 wrote:Not if fixing it required a reworking of Live's core MIDI handling.
Hmm.. good point. If so, then good for them for finally overhauling what was clearly a mess.

I couldn't be happier with this fix, I just really hope it works as claimed. who would think in 2007, we are hoping for a midi sequencer to actually record what we play...hahaha.

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Post by ethios4 » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:55 pm

Vertical wrote: who would think in 2007, we are hoping for a midi sequencer to actually record what we play...hahaha.
:lol: No kidding!

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Post by ilia » Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:07 pm

Vertical wrote:
ethios4 wrote:Not if fixing it required a reworking of Live's core MIDI handling.
Hmm.. good point. If so, then good for them for finally overhauling what was clearly a mess.

I couldn't be happier with this fix, I just really hope it works as claimed. who would think in 2007, we are hoping for a midi sequencer to actually record what we play...hahaha.
Have you actually seen the improvement?
So far I can't really tell that it got much better, maybe later betas will show it.

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Post by fragchamp » Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:47 am

Does this mean it will now record a smooth automation curve instead of hundreds of square blocks? Do others have this problem?

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Post by Nod » Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:13 am

ilia wrote:Have you actually seen the improvement? So far I can't really tell that it got much better, maybe later betas will show it.
Bump - any other beta testers willing to confirm an improvement?

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Post by adventurepants_ » Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:39 am

does the new midi jitter fixes refer to recording midi (the midi delay issue) or in improving external hardware midi sync (the Live's drifting midi clock issue)?

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Post by nolus » Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:54 am

most usb and firewire midi interfaces have dreadful jitter problems in any case. It's hard to see how software could make it much worse.
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Post by adventurepants_ » Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:12 am

yes but there are known problems with Lives midi engine. perfectly independent of other system based issues.

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Post by Nod » Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:23 am

adventurepants_ wrote:yes but there are known problems with Lives midi engine. perfectly independent of other system based issues.
Specifically the issues raised in this thread:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52985

Is there a noticeable improvement in 7? ie: does it now record MIDI properly regardless of the status of the monitoring?

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Post by forge » Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:27 am

Alex wrote:The first Live 7 Beta does not yet include all features:

- The Tension instrument is not yet available
- Pow-r dithering is not yet available
- Play-through MIDI timing optimization is not yet included
- The manual and "What's New" Lesson are also in beta stage and currently available in English only
- Included presets do not yet cover all instrument and devices
there's one thing that wont be noticed yet

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Post by adventurepants_ » Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:03 am

so the wording of that looks like it will address the 'record midi where you hear not where you play' issue?

if so then good news, i can finally go back to playing in unquantised again.

crosses fingers!

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Post by longjohns » Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:07 am

You guys should just hold on this..

I'm not so sure that the "jitter" improvements relate to that (goddamned) midi timing thread.

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