128 Triggers (+leds) for Live

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FrankH
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128 Triggers (+leds) for Live

Post by FrankH » Mon May 27, 2002 8:41 pm

Hello all,

Right now i'm building my first prototype, a board of 128 triggers. Nice and logicaly ordered for Live.
I'll be very proud to presend it to you in a couple of weeks from now!

Not everyone is aware about this, but hereby a new musical instrument will be born.
Very intuitive, creative and fast to use. Using best of both the Digital and analog worlds.
And it's just for that analoge feel where we need the clip status feedback.

Clip status feedback, what is that?
Well, every trigger/button get's it's own led, indicating the current status of the clip. If the clip is running or not.

Hopefuly Live will be equiped with the feature of giving feedback to the controler.

Something else, i'm looking for those nice soft gummie buttons, like on the Korg ElecTribe's, does anyone know where i can get those alike buttons?

Enjoy the music,

Frank Heijkamp

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nice

Post by tenzing » Wed May 29, 2002 10:09 am

will there be pots on this thing too?
http://fm4.orf.at/soundpark/t/tenzing/

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Post by ryansupak » Wed May 29, 2002 2:25 pm

this thing sounds wicked.

yeah, im working on a proto controller myself for live--the big kink for me, as well, is getting that LED functionality in order.

mine is set up like this:

buttons-----------
12345678
12345678
12345678
12345678
faders------------
12345678
"alpha knobs" ----
12345678
12345678
"beta knobs" ----
12345678 buss X
12345678
12345678 buss Y
12345678

the idea is that the alpha knobs are more or less hardwired to their functions (like pan, fx send, etc...) the beta knobs have toggle switches to switch them from one function to another on the fly, and these are intended to be dynamically assigned to functions as you go along--eg FX parameters.

the complexity, though, comes in because the beta knobs are on two different "toggle busses". thus the functions of the top two beta rows can be instantaneously altered while the bottom two rows remain unaltered. this allows for MUCH more flexibility...

work in progress,
rs

ps, anybody know of any good OEMs for this sort of thing?

ryansupak

Post by ryansupak » Wed May 29, 2002 3:17 pm

regarding the rubber buttons, ive been looking around too. personally, my ideal would be something like the MPC buttons, or the sp-808.

rs

ryansupak

Post by ryansupak » Wed May 29, 2002 4:12 pm

question for users out there:

do you prefer controllers that are more generalized, or ones that limit your options to some extent? why?

personally i prefer controllers that are as generalized as possible, with a few small touches to deepen the functionality and intuitiveness of the interface. things should also exist in equal amounts, and they should be physically arranged so that they correspond in a logical manner.

i think this is an exciting new area that is nowhere near explored yet.

thanks,
rs

ryansupak

Post by ryansupak » Wed May 29, 2002 6:27 pm

here's a diagram of my controller:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ableton_live/files/controller.jpg

sorry:you need a yahoo login to see the image. anybody know how to attach an image on this board? i see an IMG button but am unsure how to use it.

still working out some design issues...like whether or not the unit should be able to augment the behaviour of itself. (for example, a "hold" function on the buttons)

tribal

Post by tribal » Thu May 30, 2002 4:54 am

I'm also making a midi controller for live. I'ts based on the 'Midi Box64' www.ucapps.de

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Layout of 128 triggers

Post by FrankH » Sat Jun 01, 2002 9:55 pm

tenzing wrote:will there be pots on this thing too?


Hi,

Well i got a Pocket Dial, maybe i'll fit it into the same case as the triggers?
I'll think about it...

ryansupak wrote:ps, anybody know of any good OEMs for this sort of thing?


'Midi Box64' will do the job.
I'm using the Doepfer CTM64, is also perfect.

thanks,

f
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Post by FrankH » Sat Jun 01, 2002 10:34 pm

ryansupak wrote:mine is set up like this

buttons-----------
12345678
12345678
12345678
12345678
faders------------
12345678
"alpha knobs" ----
12345678
12345678
"beta knobs" ----
12345678 buss X
12345678
12345678 buss Y
12345678


BTW you can cascade two CTM64's.
(to get an offset of 64, remove on the solder side the bridge to pin 13 of the PIC)

I'm thinking of working in a 4x3 matrix.
The layout for the trigger board should be something like this:




001 002 003 004 - - - - 013 014 015 016 - - - - 025 026 027 028 - - - - 121

005 006 007 008 - - - - 017 018 019 020 - - - - 029 030 031 032 - - - - 122

009 010 011 012 - - - - 021 022 023 024 - - - - 033 034 035 036 - - - - 123



037 038 039 040 - - - - 049 050 051 052 - - - - 061 062 063 064 - - - - 124

041 042 043 044 - - - - 053 054 055 056 - - - - 065 066 067 068 - - - - 125

045 046 047 048 - - - - 057 058 059 060 - - - - 069 070 071 072 - - - - 126



073 074 075 076 - - - - 077 078 079 080 - - - - 081 082 083 084



085 086 087 088 - - - - 097 098 099 100 - - - - 109 110 111 112 - - - - 127

089 090 091 092 - - - - 101 102 103 104 - - - - 113 114 115 116 - - - - 128

093 094 095 096 - - - - 105 106 107 108 - - - - 117 118 119 120




Still looking for better buttons, couldn't find the right rubber buttons by now.

Frank Heijkamp

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Post by FrankH » Sat Jun 01, 2002 10:56 pm

Ok, my last message for today,

ryansupak wrote:the complexity, though, comes in because the beta knobs are on two different "toggle busses". thus the functions of the top two beta rows can be instantaneously altered while the bottom two rows remain unaltered. this allows for MUCH more flexibility


I'm thinking of using two Pocket Dial's for that ultimate flexibility.


ryansupak wrote:do you prefer controllers...
...in a logical manner.

i think this is an exciting new area that is nowhere near explored yet.


Yes it's very exciting :D

In my layout i try to create a very intuitive interface.
Everyone can predict what each knobs will do, in this way it's very simple to use.

Keep in controll,

f

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