Create Knobs/Sliders for MIDI Control Events

drzoom · Post by **drzoom** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:15 pm

Hi

I just bought Live 7. I used Live before only with software instruments. But I own a Yamaha CLP-280, with (IMO) one of the best piano sounds possible.

So I thought, why not control the piano with Live and record the audio. Everything worked fine, but now I search a way how I can easily control some of the effects in the piano. E.g sending control events.

This is possible in the envelop view of the midi track, but I search a way how I can control this effects "live" with some knobs or sliders.

Is there a way how I can map some MIDI ctrl sends to local controls?

regards
Tobias

Moody · Post by **Moody** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:50 pm

Can your local controls send midi data?

drzoom · Post by **drzoom** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:18 pm

Can your local controls send midi data?

Let me try to explain my problem in other words:

Currently it's easily possible to connect a midi device, and map controllers from this device to parameters of a software synth.

I have a hardware synth and would like to connect parameters of the hardware synth to some local controls on my laptop.

So I would like to have a knob which can send a midi ctrl value to an attached hardware synth.

best regards
Tobias

sporkles · Post by **sporkles** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:33 pm

I don't have an answer for you, but I'll take the opportunity to once more cry
out for a way to set midi cc output from the macro knobs on racks. Imagine an
external instrument inside a rack! This would make life a lot easier. Instead of
setting up setting up special controller presets or key maps for every external
instrument (soft or hard), you could simply keep one remote map for
everything. A customisable number of macro controls wouldn't hurt either...

drzoom · Post by **drzoom** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:44 pm

I don't have an answer for you, but I'll take the opportunity to once more cry
out for a way to set midi cc output from the macro knobs on racks. (...)

This is just what I searched for. For every other software synth, I can group them and assign some controls to the macro knobs. But not for the "External Instrument". I would really like to be able to map midi cc output e.g. to this macro knobs. Or have some similar knobs at the "external instrument".

So, if I get it right. There is no such possibility? Or no workaround for this?

Is there a place, where feature request can be placed?

best regards
Tobias

sporkles · Post by **sporkles** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:14 am

This is just what I searched for. For every other software synth, I can group them and assign some controls to the macro knobs. But not for the "External Instrument". I would really like to be able to map midi cc output e.g. to this macro knobs. Or have some similar knobs at the "external instrument".

So, if I get it right. There is no such possibility? Or no workaround for this?

Is there a place, where feature request can be placed?

Yep. The Feature Wishlist forum is the place to go, and Ableton do listen to our requests -
we did get the external instrument device, which is sort of a stripped-down
version of the device I suggested a while ago, which would have included CC
assignable macro knobs. In fact, I've just uploaded a new suggestion,
based on the External Instrument:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81139
Perhaps they'll upgrade the external instrument with macro knobs that send
CCs if we keep nagging?

As far as I know, there is no way to do what you want to do, short of using a
midi controller to automate the CCs.

bensuthers · Post by **bensuthers** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:06 am

if you wrap external instrument in an instrument rack, then map the macro controllers to midi controllers, they will output midi (as well as receive it).

(assuming you have remote control etc setup properly)

b.

sporkles · Post by **sporkles** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:20 am

bensuthers wrote:if you wrap external instrument in an instrument rack, then map the macro controllers to midi controllers, they will output midi (as well as receive it).

(assuming you have remote control etc setup properly)

b.

Huh? Could you explain that one?

bensuthers · Post by **bensuthers** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:03 am

insert midi track
stick an external instrument on it. set it up
rightclicking on the external instrument plugin, select group

(this wraps the instrument in an instrument rack)

unfold the 'macro' controls. (click on the little live knob)

Now...assuming that you have plugged in your external instrument and it's working, make sure that in your midi preferences you have this instrument setup to be a remote control as well as a track input. it needs to input as well as output this information so tell it both for it's input and it's output that it's a remote control.

press apple+M, and select the control you want to map.

assuming, for instance, that you're using a JP8000 and you want to control it's filter, move the filter control. There's another assumption here - and that is that the parameter that you want to change via Live has a midi controller number and will output that number when you change the parameter on the keyboard. It needs to be the same number for 'input' as for 'output'.

*** THIS SHOULD BE EASY ENOUGH TO SETUP FOR MOST HARDWARE SYNTHS ***

*** IT CERTAINLY WORKS FOR MY VIRUS, NORD MODULAR, & JP8000 ***

press apple+M

Now when you move the Macro control that you have assigned to this controller, it will output the controller number to the keyboard, and the parameter will change.

need more than 8? wrap the rack in another one.

kapisch?

sporkles · Post by **sporkles** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:04 am

Yeah, OK, fair enough, as this thread was about hardware - but I'm talking
about something that would work for rewired instruments as well. My feature
request is still valid.

bensuthers · Post by **bensuthers** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:00 pm

there was no mention of rewire in any of the posts above!

we were talking about mapping macro controls to external midi controller output.

and ableton already does it.

sporkles · Post by **sporkles** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:09 pm

bensuthers wrote:there was no mention of rewire in any of the posts above!

we were talking about mapping macro controls to external midi controller output.

and ableton already does it.

Rewire was implicitly mentioned when I wrote "external instrument (soft or
hard)", man. I just took the opportunity to repeat a feature request. There's no
need to be so fucking condescending.

Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:39 am

bensuthers wrote:insert midi track
stick an external instrument on it.

i'm pretty sure you don't actually need to use the external instrument plug for this as it worked in v.6 as well. basically you're abusing the remote output setup to send midi cc's from the macros. i think you can't create a group around nothing though, so i used a utility plugin when i tried this as i assumed it would use less cpu than anything else.

Morgrugyn · Post by **Morgrugyn** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:39 am

https://maxforlive.com/library/device/2560/cc-map8

Create Knobs/Sliders for MIDI Control Events

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