Please help me I am a little confused after reading the above. Was America not attacked First. I kind of remember the Embassy bombings in Africa, the Uss Cole, The 911 attacks. I also remember Osama declaring war on America and not once did one muslim country stand up and condem him. I also remember seeing muslims dance in the street after 911. Was it also not Iraq that attcked Iran, and Kuwait, and refused weapons inspectors access. Did the UN not try for 10 years to get Iraq to comply. Are you saying it was ok for Sadam to do what he did.
America is an empire and we've been in the middle east for 50 years. Those attacks are justified. Imagine if china had military bases in Canada and Mexico and had its warships patrolling off the pacific coast. Imagine China overthrowing the governments in Mexico and Canada and putting in leaders that were favorable to Chinas interests and not to the people of the land. What would we, as americans do? We'd rise together and fight the Chinese. This is whats happening in the middle east. They don't want us there. This is why they are fighting us.
Yes the middle east is a mess, but it is not our job to fix it. Let them fix it themselves. Let them workout their civil war on their own. We had an opportunity to fix Iraq but that time has come and gone. We're now doing more harm than good. Do you know the full story of Iraq? How we fired their military? Let them loot and raid the country? So now we have half a million out of work military men with tons of guns, ammo and weapons. The IEDs, etc started happening after we did that. The only thing we protected in Iraq was the oil. We let the country turn into chaos. Check out the film "no end in sight" - it has interviews with the people who were in charge of iraq and knew what was going on, they are so frustrated with what has happened that they have now come forward.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=0
Furthermore, the legitimacy of 9/11 is highly in doubt. If you believe the official story, you are ignoring the piles of facts, evidence and truth. However, if you do believe the official story, I don't blame you. I bought into the lies just like everyone else did. However through months of research I have come to the conclusion that there are too many unanswered questions and it needs to be reinvestigated. There is overwhelming information out there, if you are seriously interested google 9/11 truth.
Finally, the Iraq war had been planned years before 9/11. This has been documented many times. There was no link between Iraq and 9/11, al-qaeda or osama bin laden. No WMD. These were the reasons to go in there. So since we're there, what is the mission? How do we accomplish this? Stay and fight? They are fighting us because we're there. They don't want our help anymore. We are doing more harm than good. Lets get our brave men and women back home to protect Americas borders.
If these countries are so bad and need help, we shouldn't be the only ones there. Spending the money, going bankrupt and having our fellow americans die over this. It's not worth it.
You sir just demonstrated aptly my point about liberals because you clearly are one. You hate America. You want her to turn tail and run. You want her defeated. You want her to feel guilty and apologise and be humble. You should run for the Democratic party as a candidate. With you in charge, the Natzi's or the Russians would have ruled the world. You have these liberties today because people before you believed enough in it that they were prepared to die for it.
Thank God they did not have the same defeatest attitude. I dont know what youre smoking but it must be good shit. Take of your rosie coloured glasses and wake up. The world is full of evil people. People hate America in the east because they dont want democracy. They want to continue to treat their citizens like slaves and rule them like Tyrants. They know that if one country in the east adopts democracy the rest will follow. Thats what they fear, nothing else. If America is so crap why are the rest of the world trying to get in.
Abotha, I want to let you know that I love you. I always will. If I met you, I would give you a big hug. I know deep down inside you are a good person. You have some frustrations and fears about the world and it is rightly so. But we'll get through this. Don't you worry my friend. We must look together for the truth and rise above this. As humans on this fragile planet in the middle of the empty universe, we can do better than this. We really can.
Nazi's etc have nothing to do with today. Saddam was not Hitler. Very different times, very different war. This accusation is unfair and has nothing to do with my argument. Our liberties are being taken away because of this war on terror. Don't you understand? Please take a moment and watch / read all those links I gave you.
Lastly, it appears that your Mr Ron Paul is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He appears to be a racist and a biggot. Have a look at the latest news about his writings. Told you he was the wrong horse to back
the new republic article is old news. Those words were not written by Ron Paul but by someone working for the organization that published a newsletter in his name. Ron Paul has appologized for it years ago, he wasn't aware of what was going on. He was busy in his medical practice and traveling and giving speeches.
Ron Paul is the farthest thing from a racist. His heros are Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks and ghandi.
Take a moment and watch the interview Ron Paul gave Wolf Blitzer. He explains how he believes everyone is an individual and doesn't put people in groups. This is the libertarian philosophy. Also, Ron Paul is fighting for minorities by stopping the war on drugs. Those who have been convicted of a non-violent drug crime would be pardoned under a Ron Paul presidency.
Abotha, if you truly want peace in the world, as I know you do. Everyone does. You must realize that peace is not created with violence. Peace is created with peace.
Put yourself in their shoes and you'll start to get the picture.
This world needs more compassion and understanding.
heavensdaw - yes I agree, that our looming economic collapse and peak oil are coming together near the prophesied 2011/2012 dates. I look at this as a forest fire. It is destructive, but needed to keep the forest healthy. After the fire, the strong trees will remain standing.
I believe that we must all come in touch with our intuition if we are to survive. Things are going to get really crazy and life is going to move very fast. The ones that stop and think will be too late.