Ableton Booth at NAMM 08 - Disappointing Results

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Post by YILA » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:59 pm

the best show stall ever was TREX guitar pedals, they had a free bar with danish export, gave me a free tshirt and posted me a nob that fell off my guitar pedal...
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Post by dcease » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:59 pm

well, fun thread, ehhh? all i have to say is this. if they got paid to stand around at a convention, then there job is to be nice. fuck the bullshit, that is their job, and i have zero respect for idiots that just collect a check, and are dicks about it. so yeah, neb should have expected a smile, as i would have. i ain't tryin to be a fanboy, but a simple what's up and a smile would suffice. or is the world soooo busy? fuck that. neb, your money is important, as well as mine, and anyone else who has pumped hundreds, may thousands, into this product. WE employ THEM. our money supports their way of life. a prospective client walks into the booth. he knows nothing about ableton. the abe reps give him the cold shoulder. he walks away. what has he learned about our favorite sequencer, which may have been his, too? nothing, but he knows ableton is a bunch of assholes. everyone does it, even the detractors here. something someone you don't know made you upset because you didn't like their reaction to you.


let me put it this way. i could go to macfuckies and get a burger from some lazy teenager who does not care about their job, or me, and have no problem letting me know this, or i could go to whataburger, where i am greeted with a smile. probably same kids working, they don't give a shit either. but they don't let me know, they kiss my ass. and that makes the meal "better". perception is 90% reality. just look at politics and religon...

it's all about lip service. ask any good salesperson. they don't have to give a shit, but they need to pretend. it's how our economy works.
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Post by thelike5 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:02 pm

ThrowAway wrote:Every tradeshow Ive ever been to the people in the booth were trying to promote their products. If I were treated this I would have turned around and left. I find it odd that a company with such good courteous tech support(in my experience) would have this going on at a public event. even if namm is for only people in the trade to do business(i havent a clue) they should realize all kinds of people shoot videos and put them up on the internet and this poor level of professionalism could definitely influence what goes up.


kinetcuk, what do you mean by "you and your kind?"
I'm sure the Ableton reps were fine... there customer support leads me to believe this.

It's Neb's fault becuase he ws expecting them to blow him and/or give him a free shirt.

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Post by thelike5 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:07 pm

dcease wrote:well, fun thread, ehhh? all i have to say is this. if they got paid to stand around at a convention, then there job is to be nice. fuck the bullshit, that is their job, and i have zero respect for idiots that just collect a check, and are dicks about it. so yeah, neb should have expected a smile, as i would have. i ain't tryin to be a fanboy, but a simple what's up and a smile would suffice. or is the world soooo busy? fuck that. neb, your money is important, as well as mine, and anyone else who has pumped hundreds, may thousands, into this product. WE employ THEM. our money supports their way of life. a prospective client walks into the booth. he knows nothing about ableton. the abe reps give him the cold shoulder. he walks away. what has he learned about our favorite sequencer, which may have been his, too? nothing, but he knows ableton is a bunch of assholes. everyone does it, even the detractors here. something someone you don't know made you upset because you didn't like their reaction to you.


let me put it this way. i could go to macfuckies and get a burger from some lazy teenager who does not care about their job, or me, and have no problem letting me know this, or i could go to whataburger, where i am greeted with a smile. probably same kids working, they don't give a shit either. but they don't let me know, they kiss my ass. and that makes the meal "better". perception is 90% reality. just look at politics and religon...

it's all about lip service. ask any good salesperson. they don't have to give a shit, but they need to pretend. it's how our economy works.
I just don't get it... where is the punk rock attitude? You expect a kid to give you a smile to make your fucking meal better? Get over yourself.

This all stems from the original poster not getting a free t-shirt at the convention. He deserves whatever cold shoulder he is imagining.

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Post by djadonis206 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:07 pm

it's just a matter of customer service - if it's not neb, it'll be someone else

they want to be rude and stand-offish, sure that's their business but I don't know too many successful business models that have poor customer service as one of their main talking points
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Post by rikhyray » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:08 pm

hoffman2k wrote: Ableton has been hiring product experts for years now. Can somebody point me to the posts where they drop the knowledge?
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Post by Machinate » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:09 pm

thelike5 wrote:This all stems from the original poster not getting a free t-shirt at the convention. He deserves whatever cold shoulder he is imagining.
How do you get ^^that^^ from this:
It's not so much that they were rude, as it is that they were just not warm or inviting. It felt like they couldn't care less if I was there or not
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Post by thelike5 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:09 pm

I'll also point out that we haven't heard from Nebs once since he took a proverbial shit on this forum... he certainly wasn't to busy at NAMM when he felt obliged to shit all over this forum.

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Post by Machinate » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:13 pm

thelike5 wrote:I'll also point out that we haven't heard from Nebs once since he took a proverbial shit on this forum...
No, I believe he is back at the show.
thelike5 wrote:he certainly wasn't to busy at NAMM when he felt obliged to shit all over this forum.
I don't get it, wasn't it just two threads, one with a comment on their booth, and one with relevant NAMM-pictures? I don't see how his posts were in any way more shit than your "contributions" here?

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Post by dcease » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:13 pm

ehh... you just can win when it's that time of the month. whatever dude.

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Post by Tone Deft » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:18 pm

dcease wrote:i could go to macfuckies and get a burger from some lazy teenager who does not care about their job.
so you know how to get into NAMM? seriously, do you know how to get a ticket to get into the gate? it's not the f-ing "hunting and fishing convention."

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Post by Tone Deft » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:21 pm

thelike5 wrote:I'll also point out that we haven't heard from Nebs once since he took a proverbial shit on this forum... he certainly wasn't to busy at NAMM when he felt obliged to shit all over this forum.
so he posts too much then too little then...
agreed, can't win, it's that time of the month.



kinda funny thread with all the bullshit.

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Post by dcease » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:32 pm

don't understand what you mean there tone deft, i wasn't implying that i did, nor that it was easy... did you even read my post? don't quote me, unless you know the meaning of my words. i thought you were a pretty cool guy, but, well, whatever. i'll try another time.

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Post by dcease » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:34 pm

or do you have the quotes crossed? :D

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Post by Tone Deft » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:47 pm

dcease wrote:don't understand what you mean there tone deft, i wasn't implying that i did, nor that it was easy... did you even read my post? don't quote me, unless you know the meaning of my words. i thought you were a pretty cool guy, but, well, whatever. i'll try another time.
:lol: sorry, yes I can be a dick, if I am one is up to you over time, I'll chill.

aaaaanyway... I haven't been to NAMM, but this is what I understand.

you have to be invited to NAMM, which generally means you have to work for a company in the business or somehow be related to the industry, or know someone who is. so, the demeanor, purpose and environment at NAMM isn't a sales type of convention.


Nebulae is the Geraldo Rivera of NAMM and the forum, stirring up all this controversy, even giving away the location of troops and meeting rooms.

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