end of the internet in 2012?

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end of the internet in 2012?

Post by forge » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:03 am


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Re: end of the internet in 2012?

Post by Olga » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:33 am

forge wrote:scary stuff

http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality

Big time scary and what a load of shit. How many hits of microdot does one need to drop into their 2 shot 1 pump latte to buy this crap?

And what if it does go this way? So the entertainers shouldn't be paid? They're going to act for free? The artists, the set builders, composers, actors, violinists, Juilliard graduates and producers should all work for free so people can watch Rules of engagement for nothing.

We need to find a way to make all internet free by 2012 so we can fuck every artist/actor/musician out of any pay possible globally?



Killer idea by big brother. Won't happen. If this happens in 2012, entertainment will stop to a grinding halt.

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Post by hambone1 » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:00 am

End of the internet?

Great!

I'll finally get a life in the real world again...

But seriously... I'm not against the internet being free, especially when so much copyrighted material is being bootlegged and intellectual property rights are being blatantly violated.
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Post by forge » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:03 am

hambone1 wrote:End of the internet?

Great!

I'll finally get a life in the real world again...
it's out there - go get it old man! :wink: :lol:

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Post by hoffman2k » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:06 am

hambone1 wrote:End of the internet?

Great!

I'll finally get a life in the real world again...
Don't worry. I'm working on a new technology that will make the internet obsolete.
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Post by hambone1 » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:12 am

hoffman2k wrote:
hambone1 wrote:End of the internet?

Great!

I'll finally get a life in the real world again...
Don't worry. I'm working on a new technology that will make the internet obsolete.
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:D

I'd still like to see the end of fossil fuels and electricity... and paranoid conspiracy theories by people with beards!

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Post by jmouse » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:43 am

Ok so the way I see it is that the internet has now become like
the big record/movie companies of old..EMI,Disney.. now
Google,Yahoo..etcYes you will pay for all this controlled stuff, but just as there were "independents"then surely some source of independent/alternative IPS's/net will still exist..(some people with ethics and money to set up IPS's....yeah I know ..in my dreams). ..and there's probably a shitload of old money going into the new mediums..their way of controling internet content.
It just means that the net will be a 2 tiered beast,them that pay and them that dont,and many will do both?


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Post by Landser » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:51 am

It seems the conclusions in the blog are wrong.
What's the reason why 95% of the information business in the western regime is in the hand of a handful press-agencies?
Money.
And the reason why there are no really opositional and critical TV-stations?
Money and necessary licences.
As long as the western regime cannot force providers to filter websites and punish them for not doing so, as long there will always be the possibility to find informations in the net, you're searching for.

Pay per view only works, if there are no alternatives to get the better information for free.

Don't get me wrong: in the EU it's already quite scary, how the regime prosecutes politically oppositional opinions (i.e. regarding mass-immigration, islamization, the genozide on the white Europeans) and how fast they can push quite incredible laws without the licenced press hauwling out loud because of the threat of "freedom of speech", and maybe they will sooner than later make the final step, to force the providers to censor independent pages, as soon as the technical possibilities are there, but the in the blog mentioned payment for content is no threat IMO.

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Post by forge » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:58 am

jmouse wrote:Ok so the way I see it is that the internet has now become like
the big record/movie companies of old..EMI,Disney.. now
Google,Yahoo..etcYes you will pay for all this controlled stuff, but just as there were "independents"then surely some source of independent/alternative IPS's/net will still exist..(some people with ethics and money to set up IPS's....yeah I know ..in my dreams). ..and there's probably a shitload of old money going into the new mediums..their way of controling internet content.
It just means that the net will be a 2 tiered beast,them that pay and them that dont,and many will do both?


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the problem is the ISPs. I would love to think that someone independent could provide the infrastructure to provide bandwidth and access to servers, but in reality how realistic is that? If the corporations behind this probably have a lot of clout - remember people like Disney would be included here.

The trouble is, there are a lot of media giants now who are so fuming at the current state of things that they are prepared to sue grandmothers, children and dead people. Even Microsoft has said TV doesnt have long left due to things like Apple TV and their own upcoming version - so there is a large powerful group of lobbyists to get behind this and I'm not sure the ISPs wouldn't have their own vested interests in doing this too.

I'd love to think it's nothing to worry about, but somehow I really could believe this is the plan - it would solve a lot for a lot of very rich people.

@Olga, personally I'm not happy to let accountants and bankers decide what constitutes art. In the new entertainment industry all the people you listed still get paid, in fact live shows are fetching more money than ever before. So it's recordings that are suffering, but the costs of producing them are now negligible. The film industry still makes shit loads of money because the average person does not have a 30' screen in their house.

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Post by forge » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:18 am

Landser wrote: Pay per view only works, if there are no alternatives to get the better information for free.
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that is exactly the point - the site alleges that the agreement will mean all ISPs will do it

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Post by gjm » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:39 am

In the video they made the claim that if you have a small website that only covers its costs, in this new order you will have zero visits now, and therefore no income and you site will die. Can someone explain how this would work? :?: I don't see the mechanism that would permit this. :oops:
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Post by liveISlife » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:44 am

How much is the porn package?

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Post by Landser » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:20 am

gjm wrote:In the video they made the claim that if you have a small website that only covers its costs, in this new order you will have zero visits now, and therefore no income and you site will die. Can someone explain how this would work? :?: I don't see the mechanism that would permit this. :oops:
As long as a site is allowed to offer the information other sites do not offer (means as long as providers allow access to it) , it will have their readers.

But i can imagine that providers are bought out by media companies. And in the first phase they could offer content exclusively to their customers to attract people.
After most people have chosen such controlled ISPs with their wonderful offerings, only very few independent ISPs would have survived.
And in the second phase they could start to censor websites. Officially the regime has nothing to do with it and it's only a "private" initiative form the provider.
Like it is already done, it could be masked as fight against "child pornography", "terrorism" and so on (while the regime sets paedophiles free again after being caught, or creates terrorism by an incredibe unjust foreign policy - but that's another topic). The mass of the people would not change the provider because they cannot reach a EVIL website anymore.

Additionally the provider could offer parents special no-porn packages and that way, people would even be happy, to be censored.
That they cannot access sites like infowars, altermedia, indymedia, vho.org anymore, wouldn't be of much interest for them.

Censorship does not need to be totally. It is enough, to keep the mass under control. In fact niches for a minority are even great to show the majority, that there is freedom of speech. It works like interesting documentaries with some background information being broadcasted at 11pm, while the garbage is repeatedly hammered into peoples minds when the mass is really watching.

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Post by Timur » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:57 am

The business modell they are describing there is rather old(er than the WWW). Both Compuserve and good ole Germany's BTX worked like this. There was free content and content you paid for on a by-page basis.

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