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DJ Etain
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Question about drums

Post by DJ Etain » Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:02 pm

This may be a stupid question to some..

Does anyone know of any online sites that can help with drum theory? I am trying to learn where to place rims and tablas in a drum sequence. I can only rely on my ears so much, without some theory behind it. I am pretty good with the standard kick/snare/hi-hat/tom routine, but I want to liven my drum tracks up a bit, and short of having actual drum lessons, I am a little stuck. Can anyone help?

Thanks so much in advance..
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Post by DjViral » Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:36 pm

resample
chop
resample the chop
re-chop

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Post by Trypset » Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:38 pm

quick question.....is this how you process your breaks>? Say you start out with a 1 bar break, do you slice each hit or sections of hits....or basically whatever you want? resampling then chopping the resample sounds like a bad ass idea
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Post by babkubwa » Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:39 pm

if you've got some spare cash - a hand sonic , or drum pad, or even some ye olde fashion flavor bongos will help immensely. you'd be surprised how natural it is to bang it out rather than getting confused over a bunch of dots on the screen.

I like to add in rough with a midi controller - the more velocity sensitve the better, and then tidy/chop it up a bit with the mouse afterwards.

another method might be to "beat box" the rhythm in as you'd like it, zoom in on the wave and then replicate it with the impulse or drum racks

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Post by quandry » Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:47 am

the above suggestions are all great. something I did recently that was eye opening was load some of my favorite breaks/beats/songs from albums and mp3s I have into an audio track in Live, then program these beats on another track in midi on BFD2 (you can use impulse or whaterver virtual drum instrument you want).

If you analyze the type of music you like in this way, you can pretty quickly start to understand some of the nuances that make certainly styles groove--and you'll be surprised at how not aligned to the grid stuff can be and sound funky in a good way. Once you start doing this in Ableton, I find I am better at analyzing stuff I'm just listening to during the day and picking stuff up just listening. The only catch is then try to distill some basic concepts out of the exercise and make it your own, and not just copy/re-program other peoples beats.
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Post by DJ Etain » Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:40 am

I'll check out those links, thanks!

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Post by Action Jackson » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:02 am

Youtube is an amazing resource for everything. And this applies to drum lessons too. Just search for drum lessons or drum theory, and you'll find lots of user created videos.

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Post by fishmonkey » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:21 am

quandry wrote: If you analyze the type of music you like in this way, you can pretty quickly start to understand some of the nuances that make certainly styles groove--and you'll be surprised at how not aligned to the grid stuff can be and sound funky in a good way.
that's what funky is, messin with your idea of what the grid is... surprising you with hits that come "early" or accents in "odd" places, making you wait and anticipate things that land "late"...

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Post by ScottFree » Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:39 pm

Make sure the timing isn't too rigid, but not too sloppy either.

Make sure there's lots of velocity variation on drums that fire more rapidly (like hi hats, rolled snares, tablas, etc.)

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