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In arrangement view should track settings be on the left like every other DAW?
yes 25%  25%  [ 7 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:56 am 

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jamester wrote:
The track info should be on the left, the browser on the right. It is not debatable in any way, it is simply a FACT! :wink:

All tracks start from the left, and flow left -> right. How does it make any sense to then put each track's "home base" on the right? It doesn't. It's quirky for the sake of quirk and I don't like it. Never have, never will. And just because Tracktion decided to copy doesn't make it ok; all other daws have it on the left, as it should be.


+1 I agree fully. I don't read Hebrew.

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jamester wrote:
All tracks start from the left, and flow left -> right. .


but the mixer is on the right end of that flow

signal comes from the sound source, goes from left to right through devices then to the mixer

mixer should be on the right and I don't know what the hell all these other DAW people are playing at

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:11 am 

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Olga wrote:
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I think this has bugged me in a subliminal way and I have no idea why Ableton put the track settings in arrangement view on the right side other than to be different. Visually it just doesn't flow with me or make sense. My eyes want to go to either the center or the left, maybe out of habit, but I never get used to it. It creates tension in my life in an otherwise blissful existence.




And this is the reason why you've sold - 10 million on beat port? Grow a pair and get over it. Jesus, I thought only bitches like myself complained about this nonsense. Flow, tension, sense? Get some. Adapt.

actually Beats Me has had some online whoring experience, check his sig or buy him a beer and he'll bore you all about it. ;)

with all respect... do you have any tunes out or mixes or...?
I don't, but thought I'd ask, I wouldn't doubt if you did, you do seem into this music shit.


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jamester wrote:
All tracks start from the left, and flow left -> right. .


but the mixer is on the right end of that flow

signal comes from the sound source, goes from left to right through devices then to the mixer

mixer should be on the right and I don't know what the hell all these other DAW people are playing at

when you start a song, the action is the left of the screen.

don't use other DAWs and it won't matter. for better or worse I only use Live, for now.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:16 am 

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Tone Deft wrote:
when you start a song, the action is the left of the screen.
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than it's misleading! The mixer comes AFTER the action, it's the last thing that happens!

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forge wrote:
but the mixer is on the right end of that flow...

mixer should be on the right and I don't know what the hell all these other DAW people are playing at

See, I don't consider the TCP (Track Control Panel) the Mixer, especially since it doesn't involve any signal routing. I've got no problem with Live's Mixer - which is in Session View - but the TCP should be on the left!

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jamester wrote:
forge wrote:
but the mixer is on the right end of that flow...

mixer should be on the right and I don't know what the hell all these other DAW people are playing at

See, I don't consider the TCP (Track Control Panel) the Mixer, especially since it doesn't involve any signal routing. I've got no problem with Live's Mixer - which is in Session View - but the TCP should be on the left!


whatever is in the arranger comes before whatever is in that 'TCP'!

volume/pan/track on/off/sends/automation - all come after the clips

the only input stuff is in the track routing i/o section, but given half of it is output as well then it could go either way and still be wrong, but everything else should be on the right!
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I've used only Live since ver 3 came out, I'm so fucking brainwashed. envelope curves? what? steady midi sync? you can do that? groove templates? uhhhh? put the mixer under clip view and I wouldn't know any better.


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forge wrote:
whatever is in the arranger comes before whatever is in that 'TCP'!

volume/pan/track on/off/sends/automation - all come after the clips

the only input stuff is in the track routing i/o section, but given half of it is output as well then it could go either way and still be wrong, but everything else should be on the right!

Ah I see wharer you're coming from, as in a literal take on direction of signalflow and all that. Yes, in that sense I suppose you are absolutely right!

I'm coming more from an eyes/head/brain sense, and to me a DAW just "goes" left to right. So the beggining is on the left and flows right. But I suppose much of this is conditioning; my original post was a bit facitious as I've been playing with Live long enough to not really notice/care so much anymore. (Still, I'd rather it be on the left! lol)

It's kinda like if the TCP's were numbered bottom-up, with Track 1 always being the lowest physically placed track. Yeah, I'd get used to it after a while, but I think it's just more natural to have Track 1 as the first track at the top.

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I don't mind, I'm used to. I'm all for having an option though.


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Olga wrote:
beats me wrote:
I think this has bugged me in a subliminal way and I have no idea why Ableton put the track settings in arrangement view on the right side other than to be different. Visually it just doesn't flow with me or make sense. My eyes want to go to either the center or the left, maybe out of habit, but I never get used to it. It creates tension in my life in an otherwise blissful existence.




And this is the reason why you've sold - 10 million on beat port? Grow a pair and get over it. Jesus, I thought only bitches like myself complained about this nonsense. Flow, tension, sense? Get some. Adapt.


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sorry dude, doesn't bother me at all

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maybe its like some kind of gay 'code'

'mixer on the right': Postman

'mixer on the left' : Letterbox

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Hidden Driveways wrote:
I've never even thought about that before. It doesn't bother me.

I have thought that they should perhaps alter the look of the mixer settings in Arrangement View so that they look uniform with the same controls in Session View. Why should the same controls have two different looks?


I agree, but now I've gotten used to the difference in looks.


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Lazos wrote:
Hidden Driveways wrote:
I've never even thought about that before. It doesn't bother me.

I have thought that they should perhaps alter the look of the mixer settings in Arrangement View so that they look uniform with the same controls in Session View. Why should the same controls have two different looks?


I agree, but now I've gotten used to the difference in looks.


Me too, it'd just be more intuitive for newbs.

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it makes sense to me. i can't focus on two sides on the monitor at once :).


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