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Post by doc holiday » Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:46 pm

forge wrote: China just gets on with it, quietly manufacturing for and and selling to the world

every single item in your house probably has at least some component that is Chinese made - we completely depend on them to the extent that most western factories are now shut

and they also own a staggering portion of the USA's debt!
from here we can get into the ugliness of the petro-dollar and the death of the american dollar.

on a side note, my father-in-law is spanish speaking, and therefore went to a segregated school as a youth.

we really have come a long long way.

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Post by doc holiday » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:17 pm

All this talk about Palin being a reformer.

I keep calling this BS.

For a good read on this subject check out this blog.. i know blogs aren't always newsworthy, but all of a sudden it is hard to find press on this stuff.

It is easy to look like a reformer when you are stepping into possibly the largest exposure of state corruption.
Alaska was in really bad shape in 2006 just before the elections:
In 2006 the FBI served some 20 search warrants on the offices of six Alaska state legislators: Sen. John Cowdery (R-Anchorage), Senate President Ben Stevens (R-Anchorage) (son of US Senator Ted Stevens), Rep. Vic Kohring (R-Wasilla), Rep. Bruce Weyhrauch (R-Juneau), Sen Don Olson (D-Nome), and Rep. Pete Kott (R-Eagle River). Also named in the search warrants were VECO officers Bill Allen, Rick Smith and Pete Leathard.
Some of these guys are all ready sitting in prison, and more are on there way.

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Post by Machinesworking » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:13 pm

forge wrote:
Machinesworking wrote: Look at how consistently people get annoyed at anyone who brings up the simple fact that money decides 90% of the wests decisions on foreign policy. You get basically attacked over it. People willfully ignore it, it's too painful to admit that your country is involved in the same sort of colonial BS people have pulled for years, but it's most of the time handled through economic deals rather than war.

Once that changes, then maybe we'll see a real change in the world.
this is why it's been so interesting to watch the way the Chinese have risen to prominence - despite being officially "communist" they are probably the most savvy businessmen around - they are quietly doing business with probably every country on the planet in some form or another, while the US tries to do it with Bullying, China just gets on with it, quietly manufacturing for and and selling to the world

every single item in your house probably has at least some component that is Chinese made - we completely depend on them to the extent that most western factories are now shut

and they also own a staggering portion of the USA's debt!

they didn't need to do any of that through military conquest

I guess it's just a reality of the greedy, lazy, self interested capitalist way that a bit of bullying and conquest is required to make it work, because someone usually has to lose out

and the scariest thing about these Neo-cons is they still think the US is number 1 and king of the world while China and India each have a middle class bigger than the entire US population
The people who lose out with this are the chinese though. Capitalist countries with democratic freedom and laws in country against unfair labor practices do business with companies in China, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. and only call them on it when the money dries up, or the leader of said country gets too uppity, like Saddam. China and India also have a destitute poverty class twice the size of the USA.
The US just starts these conflicts to make sure the money flows in, but your country for instance was out biggest supporter beyond England, don't forget that when talking about our lust for military conquest.

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Post by mikemc » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:26 pm

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