8.1.4 + Novation Nocturn Automation Problems

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RD444
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Re: 8.1.4 + Novation Nocturn Automation Problems

Post by RD444 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:40 am

i am getting choppy automation too with live and autmap controlled devices

is there a fix
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Re: 8.1.4 + Novation Nocturn Automation Problems

Post by RD444 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:26 am

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Re: 8.1.4 + Novation Nocturn Automation Problems

Post by RD444 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:43 am

when i change from asio to MME dirrect x it works ok but not great

I have a RME hammerfall 9632 audio card

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7loB1vb8cr4

update

asio 'full duplex driver' seems to work ok

but its unusable with buffer sizes of 2048!!

any ideas
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Re: 8.1.4 + Novation Nocturn Automation Problems

Post by RD444 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:26 am

w1nt3rmut3 wrote:Am I really alone in experiencing this "choppy" automation? It only occurs when the vst being controlled is processing - that is, when the VST is turned "on". I can record automation from any parameter with the VST being controlled by my Nocturn turned off very smoothly and precisely, with lots of interpolation points. So it seems like it must have something to do with processing, I think?

Edit: I just discovered that this issue only seems to appear when I am using my Firebox as the audio device. When I use my built-in sound device with Asio4All, then I do not get the "choppy" automation. However, back at Live 8.1.3, I could still use the Firebox, and I had no "choppy" automation at all.

I probably sound totally crazy if no one else has this problem, but just in case anyone else experiences it (if there is anyone out there who happens to have the Live 8.2 + Automap + Firebox combination), you are not alone! :D

thanks dude

i have an RME hammerfall card and it doing similar things

only large buffer sizes will sort it out (2048 samples) kind of half a second delay after i play a key on the keyboard

I'm not sure what to do

Novation are usually not very much help
Ableton are fair but not very much help

I might try my card manufacturer

god man it feels like 2011 but still stuff doesn't play together nicely and company don't care

i might sack automap off and use straight midi

my card was a few hundred pounds surely it can't be that?

what did you end up doing in the end?
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Re: 8.1.4 + Novation Nocturn Automation Problems

Post by RD444 » Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:35 am

after running some tests it automap works in live 8.1.3 but not 8.2.2

i'm not sure if i should downgrade

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to summarise

automap (any version) and live 8.2 records jerky automation if the plug is set to ON
if its set to OFF it record without jerking(not really a work around but a CLUE)
i tried live 8.1.3 AND IT RECORDED AUTOMATION WITHOUT JERKING


ITS A LIVE PROBLEM
ITS A LIVE PROBLEM
ITS A LIVE PROBLEM
ITS A LIVE PROBLEM



i tried live 8.1.3 AND IT RECORDED AUTOMATION WITHOUT JERKING
live 8.2.2 DOES NOT RECORD WITHOUT JERKING

ALSO IF I TURN THE plugin TO OFF the automation records without jerking


Are you guys going to fix this or do i need to downgrade?
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Re: 8.1.4 + Novation Nocturn Automation Problems

Post by RD444 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:07 pm

shaunsteffan wrote:To be honest, i think it is a Live problem. the problems with automap started as soon as Ableton updated Live from 8.1.3 to 8.1.4 .i have tried all the updates in between 8.1.4 and 8.2 an they all fail to work. i dont understand how it could work perfectly in 8.1.3 an fail to work in the following updates. i am using 8.1.3 at the moment ..but would like to update to the latest version to address all the bugs that have been fixed.
bug is confirmed now

hopefully a fix on the way soon



"thanks for getting back!

I've tested this issue with a Novation Nocturn and can indeed reproduce it. It seems that VST plug-ins are affected only and that the problem has been introduced between Live 8.1.3 and Live 8.1.4.

I will file a bug for our development.


Best Regards and thank for reporting this issue,

Marian Kalus
Ableton Technical Support"
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Re: 8.1.4 + Novation Nocturn Automation Problems

Post by pencilrocket » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:57 pm

haha took 1 year to just reproduce and recognize a bug on cerified products. Fabulous company. It's sure that they begin to use 8.1.4 recently. Be patient with nice staff.
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Re: 8.1.4 + Novation Nocturn Automation Problems

Post by w1nt3rmut3 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:43 am

This issue still has not been fixed in the current version of Live! Any news Ableton?

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Re: 8.1.4 + Novation Nocturn Automation Problems

Post by RD444 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:26 am

News:

selling my Automap products
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