Complex Warp mode changing audio played at original tempo??

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Badger123
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Complex Warp mode changing audio played at original tempo??

Post by Badger123 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:45 am

From the Ableton manual:

The algorithms used in the Complex and Complex Pro Warp modes use an entirely different technology from the algorithms behind Beats, Tones, Texture and Re-Pitch modes. Although the Complex modes may sound better, particularly when used with mixed sound les containing many different kinds of audio material, they are never neutral not even at the original tempo. Because of this, and because of the increased CPU demands of these algorithms, we recommend using them only in cases where the other Warp modes don't produce sufcient results.

"Neutral" is defined thus: Procedures in Live that will cause absolutely no change in audio quality are referred to as neutral operations.

How is it that clips played at the original tempo are changed in complex mode? Why does warp need to do anything even in complex mode when a clip is at the original tempo?

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Re: Complex Warp mode changing audio played at original tempo??

Post by Dragonbreath » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:02 am

It changes the audio when activated ... why is probably a pretty "complex" answer...lol

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Re: Complex Warp mode changing audio played at original tempo??

Post by yur2die4 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:08 am

It needs to be 'malleable' and play by the rules of the controls given to you. For that kind of algorithm, the control settings can produce some pretty polar results, er.. they are never 100%. They are however very sufficient results for their application. If it is in a 'mode', then it needs to follow the rules of that 'mode' in this case, it just happens that this mode has a lot going on and plays audio differently.

Kind of like how an mp3 is not neutral in contrast to a wav.

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Re: Complex Warp mode changing audio played at original tempo??

Post by reeloy » Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:38 am

.....yes....even the complex mode can't leave your audio completely untouched....it gets a bit muddy, some crispyness is gone and the transients become lush....

Time for a stretch mode that kicks out the realtime pitch shifters...they make the mud....no need to change pitch on complete tracks....

Well, at least, it's all in realtime....

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Re: Complex Warp mode changing audio played at original tempo??

Post by jaynyc » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:26 pm

this makes me wonder why Complex and Complex Pro are not "bypassed" when Master Tempo = clip's Seg. BPM (hence, they would be neutral)

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