Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

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RD444
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Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by RD444 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:14 am

Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (recorded automation is jerky) problems


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRrQszGNf04

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Any ideas?

Automap has never really worked with live

the plugin window has to be open to control the plug

in the video note
how jerky the automation is
i am moving the controller smoothly
and the change in the filter is smooth but what is recorded is jerky

note at the end
i move the configured setting
and see how many more controller events are recorded?

Any ideas
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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by RD444 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:43 am

when i change from asio to MME dirrect x it works ok but not great

I have a RME hammerfall 9632 audio card

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7loB1vb8cr4

update

asio 'full duplex driver' seems to work ok

but its unusable with buffer sizes of 2048!!

any ideas
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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by RD444 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:04 pm

anyone
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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by RD444 » Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:18 am

ok

I tried Automap-3.7.4 same shiz different version number

and i uninstalled the driver and tried 3.4.1 same shiz

other people have said earlier version of live work better with it

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my thougths

its 2011 and music companies still suck at technical support

but on the plus side i remember the earlier version of automap had a button to turn automap on /off on each plug, which is a really great feature. so i might stuck with the downgrade fro that feature

i'd love to know why it doesn't work with live

also automation records perfectly with the plugin TURNED OFF?
and better with massive soundcard latency

i recon thats a clue
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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by RD444 » Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:45 am

after running some tests it automap works in live 8.1.3 but not 8.2.2

i'm not sure if i should downgrade

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to summarise

automap (any version) and live 8.2 records jerky automation if the plug is set to ON
if its set to OFF it record without jerking(not really a work around but a CLUE)
i tried live 8.1.3 AND IT RECORDED AUTOMATION WITHOUT JERKING



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRrQszGNf04

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ITS A LIVE PROBLEM
ITS A LIVE PROBLEM
ITS A LIVE PROBLEM
ITS A LIVE PROBLEM



i tried live 8.1.3 AND IT RECORDED AUTOMATION WITHOUT JERKING
live 8.2.2 DOES NOT RECORD WITHOUT JERKING

ALSO IF I TURN THE plugin TO OFF the automation records without jerking


Are you guys going to fix this or do i need to downgrade?
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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by RD444 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:18 pm

if you are experriencing this problem, s a few people are

Please create a status report and send it to live

ie

open a project
move the automation with automap
go to create status report in the menu

send it to to bugs@ableton.com

along with this information

the problem starts with 8.1.4
it doesn't happen with the plug turned OFF
it happens less with huge latency seeting on the audio card

They are responding but so far they have not accepted that it is a bug
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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by w1nt3rmut3 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:11 pm

Has this issue been fixed in 8.2.5? I see no mention of it in the changelog.

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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by RD444 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:36 pm

I'll email them and ask.

email them too if you like

bugs@ableton.com


=== my email== wrote:
subject = did the AUTOMAP BUG get fixed in new LIVE?

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=165099

here is details of the bug

did the AUTOMAP BUG get fixed in new LIVE?

Please Advise
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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by RD444 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:48 pm

So far no reply from them?
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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by twisted-space » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:10 pm

You most likely won't get a reply from bugs@ableton.com, you have to use support@ableton.com

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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by RD444 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:28 pm

I emailed support cheers. I'll keep you posted
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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by Bainesy » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:10 am

Please do!
Would be great to have this work the way it's supposed to!
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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by RD444 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:27 pm

Aug 29 2011
support@ableton.com on Aug 29 2011 wrote: thanks again for your mail on this topic.

The bug has not yet been fixed with Live 8.2.5, where we concentrated on other stuff. See http://www.ableton.com/releasenotes-lesson

Currently, the Automap/VST automation issue is rather high on our list, but I still can't give you a specific date or version where we'll address this.
Regards,

Torsten Wendland | Software Test Engineer
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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by w1nt3rmut3 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:33 pm

Thanks for the update. I can also confirm that Automap 4 does not make the problem any better (not that I expected it to, since the issue seems to be on Ableton's end).

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Re: Ableton Live 8.2.2 Automap 3.7b1 (automation is jerky)

Post by RD444 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:52 pm

support@ableton.com on Aug 29 2011 wrote: thanks again for your mail on this topic.

The bug has not yet been fixed with Live 8.2.5, where we concentrated on other stuff
they were concentrating on 'other stuff' rather than 'functionality' :)

Hopefully they may fix the 'total incompatibility with automap'.

How long has the problem existed for now?
How many Live and Automap users are there?
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