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Possible to filter MIDI in events? All notes off hit sustain

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:23 pm
by randallp
I'm trying to use an old Roland RD1000 stage piano which has great action (but old sounds) to trigger Live instruments.
For some reason, it sends a midi "all notes off" when the last key is lifted even if the sustain pedal is down.

In Logic I'm able to filter out the "all notes off".

Can I do something similar in Live pls?

Re: Possible to filter MIDI in events? All notes off hit sustain

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:54 am
by Synthbuilder
Yep, it's really annoying. All the early Roland midi synths do it.

Roland interpreted the 'all notes off' part of the midi spec literally and thought it meant all notes off on the controller. Whereas it was meant to be all notes off on the sound module. So because of that the early midi computer sequencers had a dedicated CC123 (all notes off) input filter. But Live is a relative newcomer and doesn't have such filtering - although I, and others, badgered them about it a few years ago.

So you have a couple of choices if you have a PC. I don't know about Mac users.

I either used a midi filter plug in like the CC filter here:

http://www.niallmoody.com/ndcplugs/ndcmidi.htm

Or Midi-Ox and Midiyoke. Setting these up is a bit of a pain and I don't remember how exactly I did it. But it did work.

Tony

Re: Possible to filter MIDI in events? All notes off hit sustain

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:46 am
by RhinoInRio
Wow this is exactly the problem I been trying to solve since years!!!!
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102865

Thanx Synthbuilder!!! +1

Rhino

Re: Possible to filter MIDI in events? All notes off hit sustain

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:22 pm
by randallp
Synthbuilder wrote:Yep, it's really annoying. All the early Roland midi synths do it.

Roland interpreted the 'all notes off' part of the midi spec literally and thought it meant all notes off on the controller. Whereas it was meant to be all notes off on the sound module. So because of that the early midi computer sequencers had a dedicated CC123 (all notes off) input filter. But Live is a relative newcomer and doesn't have such filtering - although I, and others, badgered them about it a few years ago.

So you have a couple of choices if you have a PC. I don't know about Mac users.

I either used a midi filter plug in like the CC filter here:

http://www.niallmoody.com/ndcplugs/ndcmidi.htm

Midipipe (Mac) works a treat - What a cool little program - The RD1000 lives again!

Or Midi-Ox and Midiyoke. Setting these up is a bit of a pain and I don't remember how exactly I did it. But it did work.

Tony