POLL: Are you having servere LAGTIME using arrange view?

supster · Post by **supster** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:33 pm

Dandruff wrote:. in session-view you can move parts very fast without delay. so why this shouldn't be possible in the arrangement-view?

yes - extremely important point

why?
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dpel · Post by **dpel** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:23 am

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:55 pm

Hi everyone,
what you experience is not one single issue but a combination of a few things.
One part of the problem is in since the beginning of Live and is going to be
improved in future versions. This causes the slowlyness in arranger once you have
lots of edits and it has to do with the way we handle the arranger data internally.

There is a good chance that we can improve this significantly, but as long as we
have not done it we will not promise anything. Because we do not want to raise
expectations we maybe could not fullfill for reasons we do not know now.
But this does not mean we do not know or even experience the slowlyness
ourselfs.

The second issue is a new bug and causes significant slowlyness even if you only
have one single file in the arranger with some edits. We think we can reproduce
this and we are confident that it will be fixed soon.

Improving the operaton speed and general GUI response has a high priority
on our current schedule.

Robert Henke
Ableton

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:03 pm

I'm so happy right now.

Thanks for the acknowledgement Robert, I'm sure everyone appreciates it.

-Tim

dpel · Post by **dpel** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:19 am

Robert Henke wrote:Hi everyone,
what you experience is not one single issue but a combination of a few things.
One part of the problem is in since the beginning of Live and is going to be
improved in future versions. This causes the slowlyness in arranger once you have
lots of edits and it has to do with the way we handle the arranger data internally.

There is a good chance that we can improve this significantly, but as long as we
have not done it we will not promise anything. Because we do not want to raise
expectations we maybe could not fullfill for reasons we do not know now.
But this does not mean we do not know or even experience the slowlyness
ourselfs.

The second issue is a new bug and causes significant slowlyness even if you only
have one single file in the arranger with some edits. We think we can reproduce
this and we are confident that it will be fixed soon.

Improving the operaton speed and general GUI response has a high priority
on our current schedule.

Robert Henke
Ableton

bravo

elemental · Post by **elemental** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:13 pm

Thank you

supster · Post by **supster** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:48 pm

yes, thank you for the acknowledgement and response on this

i have a lot of faith you guys are going to work this out, and
im sure a lot of others out here do too ...
.

Robert Henke wrote:Hi everyone,

what you experience is not one single issue but a combination of a few things.
One part of the problem is in since the beginning of Live and is going to be
improved in future versions. This causes the slowlyness in arranger once you have
lots of edits and it has to do with the way we handle the arranger data internally.

There is a good chance that we can improve this significantly, but as long as we
have not done it we will not promise anything. Because we do not want to raise
expectations we maybe could not fullfill for reasons we do not know now.
But this does not mean we do not know or even experience the slowlyness
ourselfs.

The second issue is a new bug and causes significant slowlyness even if you only
have one single file in the arranger with some edits. We think we can reproduce
this and we are confident that it will be fixed soon.

Improving the operaton speed and general GUI response has a high priority
on our current schedule.

Robert Henke
Ableton

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:02 pm

it's good that you are familiar with the problem (s), because this means you can plan well for the future. That should mean the new system of handling arrange data will be robust, quick and possibly enable other benefits which were being held back by the old code.

exposing multiple envelopes perhaps

gomi · Post by **gomi** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:06 pm

sweetjesus wrote:
As a fan of Ableton Live, i think its a bit dubious of them to say this. The copy/paste works really quick when you first open up Live. Even on the heavy projects which cause these problems. After a couple of operations, or simply Live being open for a period of time, the lag comes back.

Please ableton, use your eternal wisdom and relieve us.

undo history?

radeon · Post by **radeon** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:54 pm

Thankyou Robert Henke. Acknowledging this will do a lot to calm people down. Treating users with a response is the right thing to do and wiil always pay dividends for your company image

Thanks

eldar · Post by **eldar** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:30 pm

glad to hear that, mr henke!
ps: what about useable freeze that was hinted at some time ago?

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:53 pm

just an update.
I said I didn't suffer from this but I'm working on a track with a high CPU consumption and now that's rrrreeeeeaaaalllllyyyy ssssslllllooooowwwww

stratusseeker · Post by **stratusseeker** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:53 pm

Thanks Mr. Henke for giving us a response on this. It's really helpful just to know that you guys know it's a problem.

We appreciate the response!!!

astar · Post by **astar** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:22 pm

Here's a bump for this one since we are in another beta test. I understand this issue might be a bit tougher to fix but with the latest beta it's still a big issue.

When cutting, dragging and duplicating a large number of clips in arrange view it is still incredibly slow. As I speak I'm still waiting for a group of about 100 clips to finish being duplicated in arrange view.

As said before, this does not depend on CPU usage, effects or anything.. for me it just seems to depend on the number of clips that exist in arrangement view....

Nice to see the GUI in session view has been sped up with the new beta, but we need it sped up in arrange view as well!

Crealive · Post by **Crealive** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:16 pm

Yes, I have tried out the beta's as well and thought for a moment that things was actually running a bit better. But no, after 15-20 mins of using live it starts locking up, crackeling etc. I simply can't work with it and I even made a totally clean install.

Well, the above problem might be related to other "things" than Live. Could be drivers, services and lots of other stuff. But still it seems very strange that Live will run smooth and top-nice when I first start it up and then gradually become worse and worse. Hmmmm!

In regards to editing in arrangement view it has not become any better in my case. Still waiting 10+ sec. when doing drag/drop/copy. It's just funny that when doing this my system is doing absolutely nothing. It's NOT working like crazy on the harddrive or anything. It just sits there thinking about the meaning of its life as an audio sequenser and then suddenly it decides to copy or move the stuff I ordered it to do a long time ago. In the meantime I've lost my desire to do anything creative.

An absolute top priority problem, which should not be postponed for a later update. It needs to be fixed asap! This can not be said enough times!

POLL: Are you having servere LAGTIME using arrange view?

Are you having severe lag time in arrange view?