I bought M-Audio's Firewire 410 audio interface, and it came with a version of LIVE (Delta 1.5.3 for OSX) that is set to work only with the Firewire 410.
I have the 410 properly installed (it works with all my other applications) and yet LIVE still doesnt respond -- it wont let me select the Firewire 410 in the audio preferences dialog.
is there a fix for this?
LIVE and Firewire 410
LIVE and Firewire 410
Mesa One
the APT, South Berkeley
the APT, South Berkeley
Hello,
The m-audio 410 was accidentally bundled with the Live Delta version by M-Audio. The Live Delta works ONLY unfortunately with the Delta hardware. Nevertheless you´re eligable to upgrade from the (non-working) Delta to a fully working Live copy using the "upgrade card". You can find this card in your 410 package.
Best regards,
Ch. Kleine
The m-audio 410 was accidentally bundled with the Live Delta version by M-Audio. The Live Delta works ONLY unfortunately with the Delta hardware. Nevertheless you´re eligable to upgrade from the (non-working) Delta to a fully working Live copy using the "upgrade card". You can find this card in your 410 package.
Best regards,
Ch. Kleine
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Firewire 410
Does this (Live 1.x bundled with the M-Audio Firewire 410) mean that the copy of Live 2.x I already own doesn't work with the 410? The 410 was my first choice for a firewire interface for my G4 667 Powerbook.
FireWire 410 and Live
Wow. I was hoping the FireWire 410 would be the holy grail of audio interfaces, but despite the fact that it finally shipped a whopping 7 months after M-Audio's original promised release date, its software is a major disappointment.
1) The software will not run on my iBook 900. Period. Bounces a couple of times in the dock, then ... nothing.
2) I got the drivers working on my PC ... sort of. I bought the FireWire 410 largely so that I could use it for Pre-Listening in Live since Ableton still requires that you use one multichannel audio interface for pre-listening instead of two dual-channel interfaces. Big mistake. The awful FireWire 410 drivers make the FW410 show up to Live as five separate two-channel audio devices, so unless I am mistaken, it in fact cannot be used for Pre-Listening at all. Granted, I still think this is more Ableton's problem than the FireWire 410's, but M-Audio is Ableton's US distributor for crying out loud, and their products aren't even fully compatible.
I've emailed M-Audio about these issues, but unless I hear something extremely promising back from them, the FireWire 410 is going back.
1) The software will not run on my iBook 900. Period. Bounces a couple of times in the dock, then ... nothing.
2) I got the drivers working on my PC ... sort of. I bought the FireWire 410 largely so that I could use it for Pre-Listening in Live since Ableton still requires that you use one multichannel audio interface for pre-listening instead of two dual-channel interfaces. Big mistake. The awful FireWire 410 drivers make the FW410 show up to Live as five separate two-channel audio devices, so unless I am mistaken, it in fact cannot be used for Pre-Listening at all. Granted, I still think this is more Ableton's problem than the FireWire 410's, but M-Audio is Ableton's US distributor for crying out loud, and their products aren't even fully compatible.
I've emailed M-Audio about these issues, but unless I hear something extremely promising back from them, the FireWire 410 is going back.
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sunit
esoterica,
By Pre-Listening, do you mean like DJ style listening to one channel while music plays on another? That is very possible. The Firewire 410 has some very flexible routing. In the 410 Control Panel set the Phone to outputs 3/4. In Live Audio Preferences set the pre-listen to outs 3/4. To prelisten a track just click on the headphone icon right below the speaker icon under the pan control on a track. Done.
sunit,
I recommend to try the 410 with a desktop or a newer PC. That will let you know if the problem is the 410 or your laptop. What OS are you running on it? I know that the Dell 8100s had lots of audio relation issues due to the power management or something.
bioroid
By Pre-Listening, do you mean like DJ style listening to one channel while music plays on another? That is very possible. The Firewire 410 has some very flexible routing. In the 410 Control Panel set the Phone to outputs 3/4. In Live Audio Preferences set the pre-listen to outs 3/4. To prelisten a track just click on the headphone icon right below the speaker icon under the pan control on a track. Done.
sunit,
I recommend to try the 410 with a desktop or a newer PC. That will let you know if the problem is the 410 or your laptop. What OS are you running on it? I know that the Dell 8100s had lots of audio relation issues due to the power management or something.
bioroid
bioroid,
I think you must have not attempted this in Live -- like I said, Live doesn't recognize the FireWire 410 as a multichannel interface, it recognizes it as five two-channel interfaces. This means that when you select one of the five "interfaces" you don't get to separately select which channels are used for Master and which are used for Pre-Listen. Try it.
This is a fundamental flaw in Live that it can't preview to a different audio interface than it masters to. If Live didn't have this flaw, I wouldn't have gotten a FireWire 410 in the first place -- I would have used a $35 Griffin iMic coupled with my computer's on-board sound.
I think you must have not attempted this in Live -- like I said, Live doesn't recognize the FireWire 410 as a multichannel interface, it recognizes it as five two-channel interfaces. This means that when you select one of the five "interfaces" you don't get to separately select which channels are used for Master and which are used for Pre-Listen. Try it.
This is a fundamental flaw in Live that it can't preview to a different audio interface than it masters to. If Live didn't have this flaw, I wouldn't have gotten a FireWire 410 in the first place -- I would have used a $35 Griffin iMic coupled with my computer's on-board sound.
bioroid,
I think you're missing the point (I've tried this on my PC with both 2.1.2 and 3.0bX because like I said, the FW 410 software won't work at all on my Mac).
In Live, go to Preferences -> Audio, and at the bottom of that tab there is a Routing section with Master and Pre-Listen pull-downs. With a multichannel audio interface that has correct drivers, you can select different pairs of channels with those pull-down menus. Since Live thinks the FireWire 410 is five separately-addressable two-channel interfaces, those pull-downs are greyed out, and the Pre-Listening feature is not available.
I think you're talking about mono previewing -- if I wanted to do that, I would have used the two-channel onboard sound and wouldn't have bothered with an audio interface at all.
I think you're missing the point (I've tried this on my PC with both 2.1.2 and 3.0bX because like I said, the FW 410 software won't work at all on my Mac).
In Live, go to Preferences -> Audio, and at the bottom of that tab there is a Routing section with Master and Pre-Listen pull-downs. With a multichannel audio interface that has correct drivers, you can select different pairs of channels with those pull-down menus. Since Live thinks the FireWire 410 is five separately-addressable two-channel interfaces, those pull-downs are greyed out, and the Pre-Listening feature is not available.
I think you're talking about mono previewing -- if I wanted to do that, I would have used the two-channel onboard sound and wouldn't have bothered with an audio interface at all.
esoterica,
Maybe something is wrong with your system but here it works just fine. I am talking about stereo pairs. I didn't install the drivers that came with the 410 CD but the newer ones online (verson 1007). Which version drivers are you running? When I click on Outputs in the Audio Prefs I have 5 stereo pairs I can turn on/off. I leave all of mine on.
Yeah maybe you have a bad unit.
bioroid
Maybe something is wrong with your system but here it works just fine. I am talking about stereo pairs. I didn't install the drivers that came with the 410 CD but the newer ones online (verson 1007). Which version drivers are you running? When I click on Outputs in the Audio Prefs I have 5 stereo pairs I can turn on/off. I leave all of mine on.
Yeah maybe you have a bad unit.
bioroid
bioroid,
You're still not getting what I'm saying. Live is fully capable of using any of the FW410's outputs, it's just not capable of using two channels as "Master" and two other channels as "Pre-Listen" simultaneously. This has been verified to me by M-Audio over the phone, so if your system is working differently, you must have gotten your drivers from someone other than M-Audio.
You're still not getting what I'm saying. Live is fully capable of using any of the FW410's outputs, it's just not capable of using two channels as "Master" and two other channels as "Pre-Listen" simultaneously. This has been verified to me by M-Audio over the phone, so if your system is working differently, you must have gotten your drivers from someone other than M-Audio.
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