EXCLUDE CLIPS from scenes (aka "free the x-axis")

rozze · Post by **rozze** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:13 pm

I'm planning to use my launchpad with my bcr2000 and a little keyboard to play gigs with live. Atm I'm working out my own setup, and there's one big thing like no other thing that I would LOVE to have in live, and that is MORE CONTROL OVER THE HORIZONTAL AXIS.

Many people have already stated that they'd like to exclude clips from scenes:

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... ene+launch
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... ene+launch
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... ene+launch
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... ene+launch
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... ene+launch
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... ene+launch
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=150642
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=95923
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... 37&start=0
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8220

And several people answered with the super smart suggestion that one could just "move those clips to another scene". Wow, they're geniuses. As if the topic starters didn't know that. But if you try to work out a concept for live gigs with hardware controllers, it does matter (big time) how freely you can visually arrange clips depending on their functionality (especially automation-dummy-clips!). And I feel like the "scene launches ALL its clips" blocks a whole world of arranging options that could turn live into a true modular monster of live-jamming&production-madness.

Obviously the "scene launches ALL its clips" started out as one of the essential functions that defined the concept of ableton live. But people started to use live in their very own ways, developing new techniques (like the dummy-clips), constantly extending the functionality of live. And now we've got these dedicated live hardware controllers (Launchpad, APC40), and we're about to breach the next level of on-the-fly-performances. And the only thing, my brothers and sisters, the only thing that stands between us and the next level, is the "scene ALWAYS launches ALL its DAMN clips"!

I have a dream. I dream of a more configurable horizontal axis. I dream of having seperate control over the functional and the visual aspect of the clips. I dream of dummy-clips and oneshots sitting where I need them to sit in the clip-matrix, not having to put them miles away from the clips that are supposed to work together as a scene, or having to create 1.000.000 scenes instead. I dream of excluding whole tracks from scene-launch, of moving group tracks independently from their child-tracks, and so on. I dream of the next level of live's modularity.

DEAR MR. ABLETON, PLEASE FREE THE X-AXIS!!!

pedroschki · Post by **pedroschki** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:49 pm

Not much more to add to this, but agree with Rozze's post entirely, and for the same reasons.

Seems like something which should already be implemented - surely should be pretty easy to solve anyway. Would open up a lot of possibilities for 'live' use....

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:08 pm

Yes, yes, and yes.

The case of dummy clips illustrates the problem very well.

And on the other side, launching a clip should NOT select the scene, in some cases.
i've noticed that launching clips via m4l doesn't select the scene, but it is a shame to have to do it in m4l.

The basic concept of live rules, but we need EXCEPTIONS.

outershpongolia · Post by **outershpongolia** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:30 pm

YES! I like to keep one shots on scenes that also contain loops but I don't want the one shots to trigger when I launch the scene...

So a simple option for not launching on scene launch (per clip) would be awesome!

the man in havana · Post by **the man in havana** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:25 pm

Same thoughts here.

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:36 pm

outershpongolia wrote:YES! I like to keep one shots on scenes that also contain loops but I don't want the one shots to trigger when I launch the scene...

Another good point ! i have precise examples of this in some of my sets.

solovox · Post by **solovox** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:10 pm

Yep...Ableton are you hearing us still??!

Please make 'Select Clips On Launch' SPECIFIC to each clip...just like Quantization...PROBLEM SOLVED!!

rozze · Post by **rozze** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:12 pm

So there's just 5 people sharing my wish for the most groundbreaking new feature...

regretfullySaid · Post by **regretfullySaid** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:04 pm

Not a bad idea; I think a win/win would be a right click option to "Exclude from Scene".

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:24 am

i sent a mail to ableton to catch their attention. But i think it's not the first one i sent..

rozze · Post by **rozze** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:07 pm

chapelier fou wrote:i sent a mail to ableton to catch their attention. But i think it's not the first one i sent..

Good move

Anyway, I've gone through all the threads that I've posted above and sent a mail to every user who expressed his/her wish for a function to exclude clips, asking them to join this thread. This way, ableton would see how many of us want the new function. I've written to a lot of people, hoping we could cause a great stir, but just a few responses so far

I'm still convinced that this function is a "must" for the future. Right here would be THE place to tell ableton. A thread with 50 replies and 1000 views might catch some attention (rather than several small threads in different sections, like the threads that I've posted). But apparently most users don't want it enough, gotta accept it...

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:34 pm

Be sure, they look at the forum, and they are aware of everything.

outershpongolia · Post by **outershpongolia** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:14 pm

solovox wrote:Yep...Ableton are you hearing us still??!

Please make 'Select Clips On Launch' SPECIFIC to each clip...just like Quantization...PROBLEM SOLVED!!

This is a different ( but very similar ) request.. Either way, lets run with it.

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:20 am

Just to say ableton answered to my mail and i wrote back a long mail about this to them.
We'll see !

rozze · Post by **rozze** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:29 am

chapelier fou wrote:Just to say ableton answered to my mail and i wrote back a long mail about this to them.
We'll see !

THe dice is rollin'

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