Exporting "All tracks": imprint sends and name group tracks

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Exporting "All tracks": imprint sends and name group tracks

Post by posssu » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:16 pm

I would really like to see the following improvements in exporting "All tracks":

-Sends on each individual channel should be imprinted to the track output itself.
Currently they are rendered as separate send-channels that include signal from ALL the tracks. This is useless when transferring the project to another software for mixing.

-All the tracks belonging to a group should have the name of their parent group as a prefix.
This would make it easier to locate them in the export folder. Currently they are just called what they are and this means they are harder find (and remove). If I export a group and its subtracks for mixing, I need to remove either the group track or all the subtracks, otherwise I get the tracks twice.
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Re: Exporting "All tracks": imprint sends and name group tracks

Post by Tarekith » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:25 pm

Yes to both of those please, would make my life so much easier when getting stems from clients who use Live.

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Re: Exporting "All tracks": imprint sends and name group tracks

Post by etheory » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:38 pm

+1, but, even better, and far more useful, would be the ability to actually select which tracks to export.
I RARELY want ALL.

For instance when have you actually used the Master channel during an ALL export? Seems totally counterintuitive for a STEM export.

Also there should be a naming template option.
Something you can use to rename tracks for a particular client, for example, so you aren't forced to do that post-export.
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Re: Exporting "All tracks": imprint sends and name group tracks

Post by posssu » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:03 am

etheory wrote:+1, but, even better, and far more useful, would be the ability to actually select which tracks to export.
I RARELY want ALL.
Yes, would be even better if we could select the tracks to export. In cases of groups, for example, you usually either want the track within OR the group track itself, not both.
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Post by etheory » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:04 am

posssu wrote:Yes, would be even better if we could select the tracks to export. In cases of groups, for example, you usually either want the track within OR the group track itself, not both.
Exactly.
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Re: Exporting "All tracks": imprint sends and name group tracks

Post by H20nly » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:50 am

if you disable the tracks you don't want they won't be exported when you change the export setting to all.

if you label the tracks how you want them labeled before you export them (like when you create them, for example) they will have names you applied to them after you export.

Drums - snare
Drums - kick01
Drums - kick02
Drums - clave
Drums - cowbell
Drums - more cowbell

and so on.

it's a matter of keeping the tracks organized. you should already be doing that at some level anyway.

i like the feature ideas, but these things aren't that hard to achieve with what we have.

the ability to export the individual tracks in a group or option to export them as a single stem would be nice though... basically a flatten on export feature.

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Post by etheory » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:00 am

H20nly wrote:if you disable the tracks you don't want they won't be exported when you change the export setting to all.
I know, but this is inefficient.
I don't want to have to remember this detail.
I believe that the export dialog should be responsible for remembering this per live set.
It's too prone to human error at the moment. And when I'm working for a paying customer, I don't like to bill them for human error.
H20nly wrote:if you label the tracks how you want them labeled before you export them (like when you create them, for example) they will have names you applied to them after you export.

Drums - snare
Drums - kick01
Drums - kick02
Drums - clave
Drums - cowbell
Drums - more cowbell

and so on.

it's a matter of keeping the tracks organized. you should already be doing that at some level anyway.
When I compose professionally, I typically have multiple clients.
Let me explain.

The guy who stem mixes my tracks has a particular stipulation on how he wants them named.
If I compose for a vocalist, they will also have a particular format they want the naming to be in.
These are never the same.

I also have a way I like things to be named within my set that don't match either naming convention.

So yes, I know there are options I could use now, but they don't help me when I'm doing professional work.
It's possibly to manually rename, but it's literally just annoying. A template would help solve these issues.
I could simply make re-usable naming presets for each new client.

Using something like a regular expression syntax, I could look for things like the hidden # symbol to remove number, or look for naming elements I use.
For instance I use the following namings:

# G - somename = a group
# A - somename = an audio track
# M - somename = a midi track

I then typically group these with consistent namings.

This consistency makes a naming template based on string replacement both simple and viable across sets.
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Re: Exporting "All tracks": imprint sends and name group tracks

Post by H20nly » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:12 am

fair enough.

there are a lot of cool features that folks have brought up along the way that require holding Shift or Ctrl etc. to achieve. one thing that comes to mind...if you name a clip with the bpm it will play at that bpm (something along those lines)... what i'm getting at is that maybe there is already away to do a group naming convention.

i don't have Live at the computer i'm using, so it isn't fair for me to expound upon things i can't double check. and i'm not trying to detract from your request... just point out that it can be done now... even though there's no magic button and/or magic drop box.

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Post by etheory » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:31 am

H20nly wrote:fair enough.

there are a lot of cool features that folks have brought up along the way that require holding Shift or Ctrl etc. to achieve. one thing that comes to mind...if you name a clip with the bpm it will play at that bpm (something along those lines)... what i'm getting at is that maybe there is already away to do a group naming convention.

i don't have Live at the computer i'm using, so it isn't fair for me to expound upon things i can't double check. and i'm not trying to detract from your request... just point out that it can be done now... even though there's no magic button and/or magic drop box.
I understand your point.
I am specifically talking about the export dialog.
It would not be some magic combination of keys requiring yoga from the main interface.

It would be like so:

1.) A list of tracks, in a scroll pane, in the export dialog, with a tickbox next to them. You untick the ones you don't want, then on the next invocation it REMEMBERS that selection. For that set, for each export.
2.) Another scroll pane, below the first, with two columns, with a + button in it. Hit that + button, and a new entry appears. It reveals a "replace" column and a "with" column. You type in text to replace, and then what to replace it with. It uses simple text replace. It shows you how this will effect the export by doing this on the list of elements from 1.) so you can see how the renaming will effect your export names and filenames.

Boom. To me, instantly much more useful and workable.
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Re: Exporting "All tracks": imprint sends and name group tracks

Post by posssu » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:53 am

H20nly wrote:if you disable the tracks you don't want they won't be exported when you change the export setting to all.
You mean when they are muted? I find that Live still exports the tracks that are off, they are just silent. Or is this what you mean?
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Re: Exporting "All tracks": imprint sends and name group tracks

Post by H20nly » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:23 pm

posssu wrote:
H20nly wrote:if you disable the tracks you don't want they won't be exported when you change the export setting to all.
You mean when they are muted? I find that Live still exports the tracks that are off, they are just silent. Or is this what you mean?
yes, when they are muted. i haven't exported stems in a while so maybe i'm forgetting...but i thought you got no stem for a muted track. still, if the stems are exported the file sizes should be tiny as it is just rendered silence. deleting those can't be too painful.

**just to clarify, i'm not posting replies to say that the OP request is invalid, but rather to say that the desired goal is not too hard to reach with other means.

another alternative would be to save the set with a new name; so instead of mysong.als you have mysong_stems.als
use the new [renamed] set to do your work... if someone only wants 5 stems out of 20 tracks... you can delete those tracks and then just export all. when you're done delete the _stems.als versions and return to the source set.

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Re: Exporting "All tracks": imprint sends and name group tracks

Post by abletoff » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:23 pm

The thing is, I'm working with stems. I usually give stems to a pro guy to mix and eq and master properly. I'd really LOVE an option to export only the sum of the grouped tracks, as I work woth the classic drums-guitars-vocals-guitars2 setup, all panned and fxed at single track level.
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