Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by H20nly » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:26 pm

Stromkraft wrote:
Ilmostro wrote:
nexus01 wrote:graphics looks good, but the fonts still looks pretty bad...
The fonts on the spectrum analyser are still blocky as I guess that is rendered differently.

The rest of the fonts look fine - much better than before.

According to the beta release notes this should not have any affect on Windows or non Retina Macs. I would have though the Windows version would look sharp on a HiDPI display, but just have small fonts at 100% setting? This would make sense to me, as Apples solution to HiDPI displays is to tell the application that it is running on a lower resolution, but actually render the system GUI at the High DPI.

It's hard to explain but basically a 15 in Macbook with Retina display has a physical screen size of 2880 x 1800, but the application 'thinks' the display is actually 1440 x 900. This is why apps that are not aware of Retina displays look crap - because they are actually rendering at 1440 x 900!

In the other 'scaled - more space' modes, for example 1920 x 1200, OS X will render the entire screen at 4x the pixels (2x V x H) so that means the operating system has to draw a 3840 x 2400 image and than this is resampled using antialiasing into the physical resolution.

As far as I can tell, Live renders its own GUI not using the system API's or libraries. So Ableton have had to force Live to render at a native 2880 x 1800 screen resolution. I've not tested the other scaled modes properly.

I could be wrong about that, but I would explain why it wasn't a simple matter to fix as you might think. For what it's worth Adobe Photoshop Elements has only just got Retina support in the up coming Elements 13 release, so Ableton are no worse than Abobe!


At any rate - I'm grateful that they have released a Retina fix.

Thank You Ableton!
Very well explained, sir.
+1

That's the best explanation I've heard and it makes a lot of sense.

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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by Stromkraft » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:33 pm

Makeuseof has an in depth article: How Does The Apple Retina Display Work? for those that feel so inclined to understand this concept even better. Reading articles like this won't make your music sound better though.
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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by jbw » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:59 pm

Stromkraft wrote:
jbw wrote:
Ilmostro wrote:NOTE:
You should down load the image files at full quality from Flickr and view full screen in OS X Preview at 'zoom to fit screen' rather than '1:1 Actual size'.
Or set the image as your desktop wallpaper fit to the screen, then load Live and minimize it and maximize it to compare and contrast. The difference is very significant.
Isn't the easiest way to register at ableton.centercode.com and download the 9.1.6 beta?
No, that's not even close to being easier.

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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by Stromkraft » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:15 pm

jbw wrote:
Stromkraft wrote:
jbw wrote: Isn't the easiest way to register at ableton.centercode.com and download the 9.1.6 beta?
No, that's not even close to being easier.
Images schimages. I meant the best way. The beta is indeed the best way because it looks the way it looks. The image is still just an image.
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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by DVISN » Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:40 pm

Bump! +1 Just got a new retina MBP and it's kind of disappointing when my favorite program looks like kaka!

Didn't see a fix in any of this... just explanations of why it's not working. Hopefully the next release will have support. Any word on when this might be coming out... Ableton Staff?

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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by Stromkraft » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:54 am

DVISN wrote:
Didn't see a fix in any of this... just explanations of why it's not working. Hopefully the next release will have support. Any word on when this might be coming out... Ableton Staff?
You didn't read the discussion to the end? You can get the 9.1.6beta2 now if you sign up at centercode.

If this is important to you, and it should be, help all retina users out by testing on your machine. Remember it's a beta. I have tested all 9 betas and haven't lost data yet.

EDITLive 9.1.6beta3 now/EDIT
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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by Ilmostro » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:55 am

I'm not a 'pro' user but I've found the Beta to be stable - actually I could regularly crash the release version (9.1.2?) from a couple of months back. Both versions are on your HDD anyway, so you can pick and choose.
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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by DVISN » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:46 pm

Stromkraft wrote:
DVISN wrote:
Didn't see a fix in any of this... just explanations of why it's not working. Hopefully the next release will have support. Any word on when this might be coming out... Ableton Staff?
You didn't read the discussion to the end? You can get the 9.1.6beta2 now if you sign up at centercode.

If this is important to you, and it should be, help all retina users out by testing on your machine. Remember it's a beta. I have tested all 9 betas and haven't lost data yet.
Cool, I'm signed up and gonna test!

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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by Stromkraft » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:19 pm

DVISN wrote:
Stromkraft wrote:You can get the 9.1.6beta2 now if you sign up at centercode.
If this is important to you, and it should be, help all retina users out by testing on your machine. Remember it's a beta. I have tested all 9 betas and haven't lost data yet.
Cool, I'm signed up and gonna test!
That's great DVISN!
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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by Morphido » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:52 pm

+1
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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by Stromkraft » Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:56 pm

Morphido wrote:+1
That's great you're testing out the Retina Support in the Live 9.1.6 betas! Good for you and all of us having or planning to get high resolution displays, like Retina.
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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by bitshiftcop » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:19 pm

Apple just announced their 5K iMac. Can't wait for the latest beta to go into production. :)

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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by Tarekith » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:05 pm

Retina Support for Live 9 only works up to 4800k+ guys, sorry!

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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by Stromkraft » Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:57 am

Tarekith wrote:Retina Support for Live 9 only works up to 4800k+ guys, sorry!
I wonder how that will look.
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Re: Update LIVE 9 for RETINA !!!

Post by Tarekith » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:51 pm

I was being sarcastic.

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