Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

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Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by DJBestow » Thu May 22, 2014 8:42 pm

I saw this article and thought it would be awesome to somehow add a feature on of the one of the preference pages or somewhere for frequent use.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-fr ... ard-tuning

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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by Jinsai » Fri May 23, 2014 3:36 am

This article has been going around for a while, and frankly it's not grounded in anything reasonable. I'm actually inclined to write it off as new age nonsense, but that's me.

Still, there's no reason to limit yourself or the potential of what you want to do with your music, and I'm all down for unconventional things, so sure, if you want to do this, you could accomplish it by putting the Frequency Shifter on your master track (or each individual tonal instrument track so that you don't shift the drums) and set it to -8 hz.

Honestly though, the end result is probably just going to make your tracks sound a little out of tune, especially if they're mixed against a song in standard tuning.

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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by Bagatell » Fri May 23, 2014 7:44 am

Jinsai wrote:This article has been going around for a while, and frankly it's not grounded in anything reasonable. I'm actually inclined to write it off as new age nonsense, but that's me.
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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by Angstrom » Fri May 23, 2014 2:05 pm

Its nonsense made up by a "Scottish composer", and nothing in his elaborate working out makes sense. He totals up the number of degrees in a circle (360!), he uses the number 30 from the outer stones of Stonehenge (of which there were 75) , he obtains a circumference of the moon as measured in miles! And doubtless sees messages from God on his cornflakes packet.

The people who ask for a default A=432 also seem to have no understanding how DAWs work. You really think Ableton is passing a master tuning to the VSTs? Nope. That's not how it works.

If your delicate chakras really need to have your music pitched 1 percent lower, then perhaps I can interest you in one of these. But be careful. Imagine what will happen if you pitch a sacred track up by 1% to beatmatch it

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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by chapelier fou » Fri May 23, 2014 3:48 pm

This is total bullshit... BUT, i find absolutely unbelievable that Live cannot be tuned.
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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by Jinsai » Fri May 23, 2014 3:55 pm

chapelier fou wrote:This is total bullshit... BUT, i find absolutely unbelievable that Live cannot be tuned.
It can. Put a Frequency Shifter on your individual tracks or your master fader.

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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by Angstrom » Fri May 23, 2014 4:31 pm

No. Because a Frequency shifter is not a pitch shifter. There is a huge difference.

A pitch shifter maintains the logarithmic harmonic relationships of processed material. A fundamental of 100hz and second harmonic at 200hz, when shifted up one octave will maintain coherent relationship. The fundamental now becomes 200hz and the second harmonic now becomes 400hz (because musical octaves double frequency)

A frequencyshifter does not maintain logarithmic harmonic relationships of processed material, it moves them. A fundamental of 100hz and second harmonic at 200hz, when shifted up one octave will not maintain their relationship relationship. The fundamental now becomes 200hz and the second harmonic now becomes 300hz . a linear transformation. The "musical" sounding harmonic pitch relationships are not maintained.

A frequencyshifter produces sounds which are "atonal" or "metalic". It is very different from a pitch shifter.

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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by Jinsai » Fri May 23, 2014 4:48 pm

I guess you're right. I have only used the plugin for extreme effects, and just assumed it was just adjusting the pitch.

I guess the closest thing Ableton has to direct adjustment of pitch then would be on the grain delay?

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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by re:dream » Fri May 23, 2014 4:52 pm

don't know if this works, but this claims to be a pitch shifter - and it can be calibrated in cents.


http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device/347/pitch
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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by Jinsai » Fri May 23, 2014 4:58 pm

That plugin would be great if it wasn't giving me a GIGANTIC cpu spike... holy hell! Just loading that into my set (which was running at 10% cpu) bumped it up to 78% without even running anything through it.

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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by chapelier fou » Sat May 24, 2014 1:24 pm

come on guys, pitch shifters are not the question.
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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by gomi » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:45 pm

individually tune your instruments.


like people do.

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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by re:dream » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:46 am

gomi wrote:individually tune your instruments.


like people do.
I LOL'ed 8)

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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by Division Monarchy » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:03 am

Every ear is different, so it is unfair to call it bullshit. I prefer 432, it sounds more soothing to my ears. if you like 440, fine. But the option of 432 should be available, along with other tempered scales. It is one feature that Logic implements great.

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Re: Feature A = 440hz OR A = 432hz

Post by Bagatell » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:08 am

Division Monarchy wrote:But the option of 432 should be available, along with other tempered scales. It is one feature that Logic implements great.
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