I can't believe I'm having such difficulty explaining this. Maybe a screenshot will help.
So if I'm jamming along, playin' my loops, and I want to mess with some effects. I have this lovely Reverb/Delay effect that'll sound good both on my Synth and on my Vocals, and using it on both will tie them together, musically, within the overall mix. Seems simple enough.
I would like to, say, turn the Synth track's A knob to 75% and get a 75% wet, 25% dry Reverb/Delay Synth signal coming out my speakers. I might turn the knob slowly to introduce the effect over several measures. The total Synth volume remains the same.
At the same time, I would like to turn up the Vocal track's A knob to, say, 90% and get a 90% wet, 10% dry Reverb/Delay Vocal signal coming out my speakers. The total Vocal volume remains the same.
In this context, don't think of them as Send knobs. Think of them as wet/dry knobs.
It's an easy way to apply the same effect(s) to multiple tracks.
You can't expect to send multiple tracks to one return and get individual post-FX signals of each individual track.
My mixer does this, albeit globally -- the 75% wet setting would apply to both the Synth and the Vocals, in the above example. (And I'd be happy enough with this -- but I see no reason the wet/dry settings couldn't be different for each input track.)
I would like to reproduce this functionality within Ableton Live. It would be very handy both for live performance and production.
What you will get is the mixed effect signal of all tracks sent to the return. This is what you want?
No, that's not what I want. I recognize that what I want cannot be done within the current architecture. This is why I'm making a Feature Request.
I do of course accept your feature request, but it's a bit hard to understand the details for what the increased volume is supposed to accomplish. I can't help thinking maybe you have given the wrong suggestion for what you want.
It seems to me what you're suggesting with the sends is going beyond 100% signal volume, yet even if we implement that feature — which is possible now with the help of Utility to raise the volume on an intermediate track — this would still not achieve the wet(dry balance you're talking about.
No, I want to change the functionality of the Send knobs. Replace them with Wet/Dry knobs. Offer a toggle between the Send/Return architecture and the Wet/Dry architecture. (Or add in the Wet/Dry knobs as a new section and FX tracks as a new track type, to sit along-side the Send/Return stuff.)
I have no desire for increased volume. Not sure where you're reading this. In fact, I see that as a downside of using the existing send/returns for effects -- when you turn the Send up, you have to tweak the volume faders to compensate. (And the resulting signal is only a maximum of 50% wet anyhow.)
Rather, I would like the volume of the resulting signal with effects to be identical to the original dry signal -- just like if the effect was on that individual track.
To me it sounds like you want what you get when you place effects in the track. There you get individual wet/dry balance naturally.
I want to have multiple tracks given one common set of effects -- Synth and Vocals given the same Reverb/Delay effect, for example, in whatever wet/dry balance I choose.
If you send pre-fader to the return it gets 100% signal and you can mix between the return, set as "B", and the tracks, set as "A" with the help of the Live crossfader. The balance wouldn't be individual dry/wets of course, though you can control multiple knobs at once with mapping.
I've tried it. It works, and I may go with this, but it's a hack. Surely the crossfader was not intended to serve as a wet/dry slider for bussed effects.
The upside is that it's all MIDI-mappable, so I can use an external controller. And I never use my crossfader for mixing anyhow.
The downside is that I'm using a crossfader for my wet/dry, which will take a bit of mental remapping and practice. And it's limited to one bus of effects.
Sorry I wrote a book; just wanted to cover everything. Let me know if it still doesn't make sense and I'll make a video or something.