studiojohnny wrote:I just put my money where my mouth is and bought BitWig. Shame. I wish Ableton would just get with the program.
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Whatever.
I have a goat named Lolly.
Sorry, just trying to be relevant.
studiojohnny wrote:I just put my money where my mouth is and bought BitWig. Shame. I wish Ableton would just get with the program.
¯\_(?)_/¯
Whatever.
Aug 10:studiojohnny wrote:The alternative is jumping ship to BitWig or whatever. I'd really rather not do that. I want to want to stay. I am on team Ableton.
What a team player.studiojohnny wrote:I just put my money where my mouth is and bought BitWig. Shame. I wish Ableton would just get with the program.
¯\_(?)_/¯
Whatever.
I read an interesting article about the actual Gold Rush, specifically the old maxim "in a Gold Rush sell shovels". a part which stood out to me was that by 1850 the citizens of SF were demanding the removal of all the hundreds of varied abandoned "innovative mining machines" which failed to catch on. There were so many failures they were blocking the waterways.Jay_NJ wrote:Ever thought about how hard it must be to have to constantly innovate? I suppose there's more room in the DAW business than say, in the golf ball or toothbrush industry, but still. Ableton has a rock solid, popular and proven product. Somehow, thank God, they've managed to keep the core of the program intact since v1. But I've got to wonder, how much more realistically can be added until they decide to reinvent it completely? I don't know. I think there are some legit concerns and ideas out there, but overall, we're a spoiled society (thanks Apple). Even if Ableton never did another update, would we not be able to produce great music with it?
not really the same scenario though, is it? FCPX was a radical departure from FCP.studiojohnny wrote:Remember when there was a mass transition from Final Cut Pro to Adobe Premiere? FCP was the industry standard but then they lost touch with their user's needs and lost huge market share to Premiere.
Live seems on target to become the new FCP. :/
I wouldn't say this is necessarily a problem. What they're doing is appealing to as many types of users as possible - successfully I might add. Now, yeah, some people who specialize in a specific area, and require certain tools may feel like they're not being listened to as much as they'd like, but overall I feel like they're doing a good job of keeping Live relevant and highly usable.Angstrom wrote:
If Live has a problem I'd say it's more likely an Identity Crisis: Is it a live performance instrument, or is it a DAW, is it an MPC replacement with required hardware dongle, or is it a DJ tool, is it for composing to Video, is it a simple WYSIWYG app, or is it a complex IDE? Is it all of them equally?
That's not something which helps forward momentum.
Tarekith wrote:At the same time, it's hard to deny that Live has had a LOT of forward momentum over the years. The number of people using it has only grown, exponentially even. I think a lot of people just get wrapped up in wanting THEIR features to make THEIR lives easier, and when that doesn't happen suddenly they feel abandoned and start to decry the direction Ableton has taken.
It was the same with Live-based DJs around version 5 or 6. When I used to mod the Abletonlivedj.com forums, we had over 12,000 users at one point. Once it became clear they were not going to add DJ specific features (Henke even flat out said it), everyone was foretelling the end of Ableton and bemoaning how they didn't listen to their users. 3 versions on, I'd say they're still going strong though, so clearly that hasn't happened.
I say this as a long time user, not as the Ableton rep here. I have a seperate account for that sort of thing
Jay_NJ wrote:Ever thought about how hard it must be to have to constantly innovate? I suppose there's more room in the DAW business than say, in the golf ball or toothbrush industry, but still. Ableton has a rock solid, popular and proven product. Somehow, thank God, they've managed to keep the core of the program intact since v1. But I've got to wonder, how much more realistically can be added until they decide to reinvent it completely? I don't know. I think there are some legit concerns and ideas out there, but overall, we're a spoiled society (thanks Apple). Even if Ableton never did another update, would we not be able to produce great music with it?