Arrangement/midi lock button- PLEASE!

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loaub
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Arrangement/midi lock button- PLEASE!

Post by loaub » Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:53 pm

I make ambient and sometimes rhythmically complex music where the tempo is usually very hard and time-intensive to find, which leads me to the thought process of “I’ll be creative now and lay down a sketch of what I’m thinking while it’s fresh, and I’ll lock in Ableton’s BPM after and get everything perfectly in time then”. Generally, I use warped and unwarped audio samples, midi, and lots of arranging and editing in arrangement view to sketch down my basic ideas; obviously things that are locked to Ableton’s BPM absolutely. So there is no ability to allow me to change the tempo later; as a result I have a buildup of hundreds of abandoned Ableton projects that can’t be edited until this feature is added, or unless I bounce each individual stem and re-create the songs in a new project as only audio files. If I want to finish a song the latter is generally what I do.

This issue has been the bane of my existence for the ten years that I’ve been working with Ableton and I’ve never found anything to make it easier. My music still is comprised of elusive and hard-to-find tempos that can take me hours to totally lock in, and as a result tracks are still being abandoned. I’ve always fervently wished for an “arrangement lock” and/or “midi lock” button that could lock midi or the arrangement in place while the master BPM was being adjusted, rather than altering the speed of the midi with it or moving the clips in Arrangement view out of sync with one another. That way, I could change the grid to match the arrangement/midi clip rather than the other way around — I’d adjust Ableton’s BPM until Ableton’s grid lines up with the timing of my midi or the structure of my arrangement, and then once things look relatively aligned I'd then begin using warping/nudging to get everything snapped to the grid perfectly. Boom, much easier, and could take only minutes. Yes, midi-generated instruments might sound different as the tempo change would have altered some of its parameters, but personally I could adjust that with far more ease than individually dragging and dropping the midi notes into their original places/speed as I generally freestyle on my midi keyboard and usually have complex midi compositions.

I’ve been thinking more and more about this “arrangement and midi lock button” since I found that Logic already has this feature, known as “Lock SMPTE Position". I know that Logic users really like to use this feature to help get their more free-styled compositions in time, and that someone has made a python script to allow this feature in Ableton 9 which people seemed to enjoy and of whom I’ll be contacting for an updated Live 11 version. I’d be absolutely overjoyed if this was a feature that would be added to Ableton soon. I love Ableton (I have 11 Suite, Push 2, the works) but damn, I definitely can’t keep adding to my massive and depressing graveyard of out-of-time projects, so my next step is to begin the switch to Logic even though it is something I really don’t want to do. I'm also contacting Ableton directly to see their thoughts.

Would anyone else like this feature? Does anyone know of any talk of this feature being added?

Look at this guy doing this with so much ease.... makes me wanna cry at all the hours wasted.
https://youtu.be/GcoTroF8QRc

Edit; also, this "lock SMPTE" button paired with Logic's smart tempo feature is making the decision to switch even stronger, as from my experience so far Logic's smart tempo feature is both quite accurate and deeply detailed (which is necessary for me as my music sometimes has multiple tempo shifts in one recording). Is anything akin to Logic's Smart tempo also being considered over at Ableton?
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jonljacobi
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Re: Arrangement/midi lock button- PLEASE!

Post by jonljacobi » Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:19 pm

Nothing wrong with Logic. Nothing wrong with using both DAWs. I don’t think you’re going to see this feature any time soon.

Have you rendered the clips you want to stay in tempo to audio then left them unwarped? Seems to me that this might accomplish what you want.

loaub
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Re: Arrangement/midi lock button- PLEASE!

Post by loaub » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:30 pm

jonljacobi wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:19 pm
Nothing wrong with Logic. Nothing wrong with using both DAWs. I don’t think you’re going to see this feature any time soon.

Have you rendered the clips you want to stay in tempo to audio then left them unwarped? Seems to me that this might accomplish what you want.
Yeah, using both DAWs/creating songs in Logic is the solution for now (using Logic's smart tempo feature has been a dream in configuring and altering complex tempos with incredible ease), but nothing can really help the graveyard of abandoned, out-of-sync tracks at this point til something's added on Ableton's part. Ableton just doesn't like things to be made off-grid...

I render the clips I want to stay in tempo to audio and leave them unwarped when configuring BPM after producing, but the clips in arrangement still move out of sync with one another when the master BPM in Ableton is altered even if all audio is unwarped. So generally I just consolidate or bounce everything. I also don't want to have to abandon any midi that was made off-grid/have to bounce it to audio to have it included in a project at a diff BPM. It's just a hassle.

Thanks for your response!

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