Dual core support
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Dual core support
The new protools 7 came out a short while ago and my performance saw an entire 5 times improvement! Unreal!
Unfortunately, live only uses 1 cpu. The amount of increase supporting dual core is beyond any 'tweak' possible in software...
Unfortunately, live only uses 1 cpu. The amount of increase supporting dual core is beyond any 'tweak' possible in software...
A bunch of gear, cords, and a computer...
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risky?
But is that not a bit risky?detroitechno wrote:The new protools 7 came out a short while ago and my performance saw an entire 5 times improvement! Unreal!
Dual support WOULD BE optimizing Live. This definitely needs to be #1 on the magical list.
EDIT: Thinking about this more. When I moved all my projects from my Laptop (2 year old intel 2.4GHz CPU 566MHz bus) to my desktop (dual AMD OPTERON 800MHz bus) last month, I noticed THE most significant difference in performance. No more drop outs, slow downs, or lockups. Shit, I now think Live is just ahead of it's time. Hell, LIVE is doing quite a bit more than any other program out there, otherwise users would be going elsewhere. Alas, there is nowhere else to go. If it were multi threaded (more than the 2 threads it has) would just make it more powerful than it already is.
EDIT: Thinking about this more. When I moved all my projects from my Laptop (2 year old intel 2.4GHz CPU 566MHz bus) to my desktop (dual AMD OPTERON 800MHz bus) last month, I noticed THE most significant difference in performance. No more drop outs, slow downs, or lockups. Shit, I now think Live is just ahead of it's time. Hell, LIVE is doing quite a bit more than any other program out there, otherwise users would be going elsewhere. Alas, there is nowhere else to go. If it were multi threaded (more than the 2 threads it has) would just make it more powerful than it already is.
And lets not forget that most (all?) of the new Mactels are going to be dual-core minimum......
Single core GHz are at the end of their evolution, progress is to be made in the direction of parallel processing. This will most likely require a hefty chunk of re-coding from the Abes.... which may just be too much for them while they have all the unfixed bugs in v5. I actually haven't had that many probs with v5, but I have noticed that it's CPU hungry. VERY CPU hungry.... the v4 demo was nowhere near as CPU hungry as v5.
If the Abes can't make v5 faster, then I think it could be the beginning of the end for the product. After using v4 I was willing to recommend Live to all my friends, whereas now I'm only willing to recommend it with a performance disclaimer, something along the lines of "cool concept, but it's not very CPU efficient".
Single core GHz are at the end of their evolution, progress is to be made in the direction of parallel processing. This will most likely require a hefty chunk of re-coding from the Abes.... which may just be too much for them while they have all the unfixed bugs in v5. I actually haven't had that many probs with v5, but I have noticed that it's CPU hungry. VERY CPU hungry.... the v4 demo was nowhere near as CPU hungry as v5.
If the Abes can't make v5 faster, then I think it could be the beginning of the end for the product. After using v4 I was willing to recommend Live to all my friends, whereas now I'm only willing to recommend it with a performance disclaimer, something along the lines of "cool concept, but it's not very CPU efficient".
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I wonder if any of us have any idea what ableton are thinking right now. Realistically they are wise to benefit from such methods as introducing new features in paid updates, but it really seems like the big move would be to support multicore/processors. It has to be possible.
As a small, but developing company, I am really interested in many of the decisions the are making. I really feel like somehow, intrinsically, their decisions are made based on taste. I see this in the way they limit their merchandise, and their behavior on this forum, or rather how they participate in this community. I can't help but think that perhaps there is a certain aesthetic attachment they may have to their code, and the fact that it is all done with one processor. For some reason, and I really hate to pull out the Ayn Rand ( ) I feel like they are pulling a Howard Roarke on us:
Here is the construction... if you alter the skins I will dynamite it!
I completely understand the reluctance to respond to the new hardware options, especially if it could mean revamping the tried and true, current product. I wish I knew what they were thinking.
I should wait out my purchase of a laptop until 6 comes out.
As a small, but developing company, I am really interested in many of the decisions the are making. I really feel like somehow, intrinsically, their decisions are made based on taste. I see this in the way they limit their merchandise, and their behavior on this forum, or rather how they participate in this community. I can't help but think that perhaps there is a certain aesthetic attachment they may have to their code, and the fact that it is all done with one processor. For some reason, and I really hate to pull out the Ayn Rand ( ) I feel like they are pulling a Howard Roarke on us:
Here is the construction... if you alter the skins I will dynamite it!
I completely understand the reluctance to respond to the new hardware options, especially if it could mean revamping the tried and true, current product. I wish I knew what they were thinking.
I should wait out my purchase of a laptop until 6 comes out.
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Now that Apple's Intel release is official...
Live will be dead meat without "Universal" code support for the new MacIntel dual core lines. They should be able to do one multithread implementation lib that will work on either XP/Vista or OSX 10.4.4. given the same processor architecture. Not a trivial undertaking, but at least they only have to do it once. Of course, to do it right means that it also works just as well on AMD multi-core, multi-processor lines, which perhaps yps the complexity. I haven't done any MT programming for a few years, so I'm not familiar with current toolsets / libraries.
What I do know is that implementing MT for multiple OS's/Processor lines can sometimes be a real drag.
What I do know is that implementing MT for multiple OS's/Processor lines can sometimes be a real drag.
Ableton is well aware of it. Because they gave the Intel switch as a reason not to implement altivec.LOFA wrote:I wonder if any of us have any idea what ableton are thinking right now. Realistically they are wise to benefit from such methods as introducing new features in paid updates, but it really seems like the big move would be to support multicore/processors. It has to be possible.
As a small, but developing company, I am really interested in many of the decisions the are making. I really feel like somehow, intrinsically, their decisions are made based on taste. I see this in the way they limit their merchandise, and their behavior on this forum, or rather how they participate in this community. I can't help but think that perhaps there is a certain aesthetic attachment they may have to their code, and the fact that it is all done with one processor. For some reason, and I really hate to pull out the Ayn Rand ( ) I feel like they are pulling a Howard Roarke on us:
Here is the construction... if you alter the skins I will dynamite it!
I completely understand the reluctance to respond to the new hardware options, especially if it could mean revamping the tried and true, current product. I wish I knew what they were thinking.
I should wait out my purchase of a laptop until 6 comes out.
I guess this will be something for Live 6 if they can get their hands on a macbook soon enough.
We can only hope... (and bump this thread)
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