midi step sequencer instrument

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midi step sequencer instrument

Post by nuperspective » Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:09 am

with all the trimmings in a traditional sense - slides etc. may even read in rebirth and ABL patterns. i know some have built them in racks and live sets but just something you can wack on a midi channel and jam away with would be cool.

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Post by scyhte » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:56 am

+1

if there is no possibility to use reaktor or other vst seqencers, there should at least be a built-in seqencing device. maybe with cool features like pattern remix and so on.
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Post by parma » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:48 am

yes please

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Post by replicant6 » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:09 am

Sign me up for that feature too! A 16 or 32 note pattern sequencer like Reason's Matrix sequencer would rock... with midi learn on every control

you could have 3 rows of knobs per page

Page 1 - Velocity, Pitch Gate (max gate value = tie)
Page 2 - 3 rows of assignable CCs


hook this up with a BCR2000 and that would ROCK

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Post by deva » Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:39 am

a pattern sequencer sounds good

I would prefer an arpeggiator though... a real one... polyphonic with programmable patterns and more...

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Post by punkdISCO » Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:23 am

deva wrote:a pattern sequencer sounds good. I would prefer an arpeggiator though... a real one... polyphonic with programmable patterns and more...
It probably can not transmit but I am really liking the new NI FM8 Arpeggiator. It’s relatively powerful whilst remaining very simple.
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Post by klangsulfat » Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:26 am

deva wrote:I would prefer an arpeggiator though... a real one... polyphonic with programmable patterns and more...
Live's arpeggiator is already polyphonic: Simply use Chord Trigger as style.

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Post by Legions of Laptops » Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:02 pm

yes and make patterns changes on bar sync by midi remote please

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Post by deva » Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:12 pm

Thomas Alker wrote:
deva wrote:I would prefer an arpeggiator though... a real one... polyphonic with programmable patterns and more...
Live's arpeggiator is already polyphonic: Simply use Chord Trigger as style.
but you cannot program patterns... the current arp is a fancy randomizer

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Post by hoffman2k » Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:23 pm

deva wrote:
Thomas Alker wrote:
deva wrote:I would prefer an arpeggiator though... a real one... polyphonic with programmable patterns and more...
Live's arpeggiator is already polyphonic: Simply use Chord Trigger as style.
but you cannot program patterns... the current arp is a fancy randomizer
Could you elaborate on programming patterns?

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Post by deva » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:54 am

hoffman2k wrote:
deva wrote:
Thomas Alker wrote: Live's arpeggiator is already polyphonic: Simply use Chord Trigger as style.
but you cannot program patterns... the current arp is a fancy randomizer
Could you elaborate on programming patterns?
Here is an example from the arp in Zebra2

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step is which direction the step goes.
length is step length
gate is note length (with legato option as arrow)
voices is number of voices (for chords)
transpose is self explanatory


The Korg Z1 arp I like even more because you can program what each held note does. First note (left hand) plays every other step and right hand chord arps so you can do basslines (for example)

depending on how many notes held and the order played it changes the sound of the arp a lot, yet retains the rhythm as created. Such method is playable and expressive and not just repetitive. Much different than the Live arp.

On the Mac there is no vst arp like this. It is a gap waiting to be filled.

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Post by hoffman2k » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:57 pm

Yeah. most of that is possible in Live too. It just isn't as obvious because you need to combine some plugins.

Thanks for explaining.

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Post by deva » Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:35 pm

hoffman2k wrote:Yeah. most of that is possible in Live too. It just isn't as obvious because you need to combine some plugins.

Thanks for explaining.

you can get many results in Live, but it is not intuitive, visual, and straightforward like with a pattern arp. It also is not interactive and playable in the same way.

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Post by hoffman2k » Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:59 pm

deva wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:Yeah. most of that is possible in Live too. It just isn't as obvious because you need to combine some plugins.

Thanks for explaining.

you can get many results in Live, but it is not intuitive, visual, and straightforward like with a pattern arp. It also is not interactive and playable in the same way.
I agree, the arp could use some enhancements. (so do all the MIDI plugins by the way...).
But saying that Live's arp is just a fancy randomizer, means that you haven't discovered the power of racks yet.
Yeah, the zebra arp is pretty cool. But in Live you can construct different arps with racks, untill you run out of ideas.

Anyway, I agree that we could use a better arp.
But I disagree that the current arp is just a simple toy.
It is made to be part of something bigger. Just like all of the MIDI plugins in Live...

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Post by Legions of Laptops » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:37 pm

the arp is pretty powerfull, and very usefull.

but we can also use a midi range to trigger and transpose a midi clip. It acts pretty much like a step sequencer. It is mostly the interface, that changes in the step sequencer. It is quick.
... and I also wishes some memory slots for patterns, with patrn changing by remote and synced to bars.
I agree we can all do that already, but it is a question of a different paradigm/interface.
Think also about a tr-808 style step entry.

Those two as midi plugins would be great for people like me.

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