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wish : Elastique Pro algorithm

Post by Angstrom » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:51 pm

Live has had the Elastique Efficient time-stretching algorithm for a while now (known as "complex" warp mode) . I think that Live should have 'pro' as it has a number of extra features and benefits.

I mean, if Reaper and FruityLoops can afford to license 'Pro' , surely you guys can do it? It seems a bit weak to have only the 'lite' version of the algo and fall behind the competition here.

As we don't have any offline timestretch in Live we could do with a slightly better 'online' one, especially now many people are getting more capable processors. Of course "efficient" is included in "pro" , so anyone with a lesser CPU wouldn't be discriminated against.

Go on, you know you want to.
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Post by Tarekith » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:30 pm

Yes, pretty please!
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Post by djgroovy » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:19 pm

+1

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Re: wish : Elastique Pro algorithm

Post by Nod » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:54 am

Angstrom wrote:I mean, if Reaper and FruityLoops can afford to license 'Pro' , surely you guys can do it? It seems a bit weak to have only the 'lite' version of the algo and fall behind the competition here.
+1 - good call Angstrom. Obviously the new specs haven't been announced as regards the audio engine in L7 but from the blurb:

"Live 7's enhanced audio engine improves fidelity with precision 64-bit summing at all mix points throughout the program, POW-r dithering, optimized sample-rate conversion and other advances"

I'd imagine one major advance would be Elastique Pro - after all using a 64 bit engine to sum signals processed with a cut down algo seems, um, a bit daft :)

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Post by Angstrom » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:05 am

I don't think it will make it into L7, although there has been an upgrade to the engine, it is separate from the timestretching part.
Well, I can say for sure that the Betas do not have any new warp-modes in.

Perhaps Ableton still have a few surprises up their sleeves as far as little additions or re-arrangements, but I have no idea how hard or easy it is to add a new warp mode at this late stage in the Beta testing. My guess is that they won't do it though, just in case it adds a new problem.

I just thought I'd bring the issue up again, I have a few pet issues that I like to keep them near the top of the awareness pile.
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Post by bitpull » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:19 pm

+1

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Post by aekorps » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:52 pm

+1

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Post by kineticUk » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:05 pm

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Post by forge » Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:25 am

I suspect it may be that the 'efficient' algo was able to work realitime and pro maybe not

but I'm all in favour of adding an offline pro version

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Post by Angstrom » Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:44 am

Pro works realtime,
Last but not least, all of this can be done in real-time on current CPUs.
you can download a demo from their site - it's a just a little app that can load a wave file.
http://www.zplane.de/index.php?page=des ... -elastique
button marked, download Demo.

Pro also doe the monophonic formant shifting thing like melodyne.


the blurb on their site is just laughable though, hardly readable :
"Pro exceeds the high quality demands of professional productions and broadcast applications"

who the hell is it targeted at then, Aliens?

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Post by forge » Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:54 am

:lol: maybe it is - apparently the aliens are freely walking down the streets of Japan unnoticed

that really sounds awesome to have formant shifting etc - big +1 from me then!






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Post by vinkalmann » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:10 am

This is something I'd even be willing to pay extra for as an upgrade.
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Post by Tarekith » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:24 am

Ditto.
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Post by Philippe_Michael » Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:21 am

+ 1

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Post by Illum » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:20 am

oh hell yes.

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