Sharing/Haaaalp- M4L Smart Harmonizer

[exaltron]

Quick background- I am a trumpeter/guitarist and one of my favorite pieces of gear is an 80s/90s smart harmonizer- Digitech DHP-55. I have often thought that there must be some kind of plug-in that could replace this rather large unit, but all I've ever found is TDM-only stuff (Eventide) and super expensive plug-ins like Mu-Voice, which for $300 does not sound very impressive.

So one of the first things I thought of when I saw M4L was that I might be able to build one myself (though figured this was a long shot based on the complexity of programming harmonizers that stay in a given key, and my very limited understanding of Max/MSP, ie, zero). I was able to find a transposer and wire up a few audio signals to transpose to various steps, still, not a true harmonizer. Then I found Simon Adcock's harmonizer example from this discussion board (it's the patch that's featured towards the end of this video), I sat down and figured out how to make his harmonizer work with audio directly in from Live.

It's not much, just three different harmonies for each inputted note, but if I can do something like this and get it working smoothly, there are many possibilities in terms of sound multiplication. I would love to hear back if anyone wants to try this out. It's only F major right now as this was Simon's list of numbers. Also wondering if the pfft~ M4L object is the best thing to use here. I seem to be getting some minor latency and some uneveness in the tones when I use it.
Would love to hear any feedback, or if anyone can point me to something like this that's been done already, that would be great as well.


Instructions:
1. To get the "smart" harmonzation, you need to create a file called "transpose_to_scale.js" in Cycling'74/jsextensions/ with the following code:
//// js file save as "transpose_to_scale" ////

var transpose = jsarguments[1];
var note_array = new Array();
var note_str;
function list(a)
{
note_array = new Array();
var i;
for(i=0;i<arguments.length + 1; i++)
{
note_array = arguments;
}
note_str = note_array.toString();
}
function msg_int(a)
{
var note1 = a + transpose;
while(note_str.search(note1) == -1)
{
note1++;
if(note1 > 150)
{
break;
}
}
outlet(0, note1);
}
function set_transpose(a)
{
transpose = a;
}

// end of js file //

Then paste this into Max:

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</code></pre>

[jon_moore]

Looking good.

I'll let you know how I get on with it.

[exaltron]

Cool thanks, I meant to apologize by the way for lack of documentation. I know that the pros provide all kinds of explanations of what does what, but as I am blindly feeling my way, and barely finding time to cobble this together, so I'm being a tad sloppy..

[davepermen]

I know that the pros provide all kinds of explanations of what does what

nah, most pros in the software development businesses of all kind do it your way don't feel bad about it

[exaltron]

Pumps and a Bump..


Anybody been using this or mess with it? I figured out how the numbers work to add different key signatures. I'm thinking about adding a super-geeky music-theorylicious circle of fifths to the interface. Wicked or just wicked lame?

[exaltron]

Also would like to add some filters, distortion, delay options, maybe bit crunch to each individual harmony to create more texture and diversity among the sounds. Any hints as to what objects to use would be helpful as I am kind of clueless. All the filter objects I've found seem to require a PhD in mathematics to comprehend.

[Machinate]

Also would like to add some filters, distortion, delay options, maybe bit crunch to each individual harmony to create more texture and diversity among the sounds. Any hints as to what objects to use would be helpful as I am kind of clueless. All the filter objects I've found seem to require a PhD in mathematics to comprehend.

have you done the msp tutorials yet? Plenty of stuff in there to copy/paste - oh, and grok, too, of course!

[exaltron]

have you done the msp tutorials yet? Plenty of stuff in there to copy/paste - oh, and grok, too, of course!

thanks, I am actually amazed at how much I am grokking, having never used Max prior to doing this. I did find the overview of M4L examples, but when I click on the examples, I don't get nuthin'. Gonna try and find that thread where IIRC people were complaining about that issue.

[pid]

sounds like you would like all the patches in the 'Tools' folder of the 'Max Audio Effect' flder in your live browser - lots of great ready formatted and commented example os stuff here, all stuff you mentioned...

[exaltron]

sounds like you would like all the patches in the 'Tools' folder of the 'Max Audio Effect' flder in your live browser - lots of great ready formatted and commented example os stuff here, all stuff you mentioned...

Yeah, good call. I was trying to use the overview patch to click on all the examples but since those links seem to be broken (could the installation be any more bollocksed?), it looks like I can just manually load all the amxd files from the lessons in the 8.1.1 Library. Stay tuned..

[exaltron]

So having spent eleventeen hours just treading water this week, I actually figured out a bunch of shit tonight. huzzah! Here's the new "smart" harmonizer with independent filters (yes, yoinked 'em right outta the example) and panning:



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Thanks to everyone who helped out here and elsewhere! I honestly did not think I would be surpassing the capabilities of my trusty DHP-55 harmonizer so early in the game, so I am ecstatic about this!!

[astroschnautzer]

Can´t get either of these to work.... maybe I´m doing something wrong with the javascript thingie, how should that be saved, now I go to dreamweaver and create a js file with the code inside and save it to the jsextensions folder, I´m on max os 10.5.8....

[exaltron]

Can´t get either of these to work.... maybe I´m doing something wrong with the javascript thingie, how should that be saved, now I go to dreamweaver and create a js file with the code inside and save it to the jsextensions folder, I´m on max os 10.5.8....

Ah, thanks for reminding me about the js file, I forgot to post that but luckily you must have gone back in the thread. Not sure if it's an OS thing. I am on 10.6.2. Although I think that elastic example was created a while ago, so not sure why you're having a problem. You definitely saved it in the "jsextensions" folder?

[astroschnautzer]

Can´t get either of these to work.... maybe I´m doing something wrong with the javascript thingie, how should that be saved, now I go to dreamweaver and create a js file with the code inside and save it to the jsextensions folder, I´m on max os 10.5.8....

. You definitely saved it in the "jsextensions" folder?

Yes...

[exaltron]

So I finally came back to this now that my hardware harmonizer completely shat the bed after a recent gig. The one thing that is bothering me is the latency. Even when I create a simple transposer and take it an octave down, the latency is ridiculous. Does anyone know of a way to create harmonies and transpositions without audible latency?