Map live.remote~ to effect rack knob?

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tomatoe_joe
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Map live.remote~ to effect rack knob?

Post by tomatoe_joe » Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:46 am

Ugh,

Can someone direct me to an example of mapping live.remote~ to a knob on a rack (effects, instrument, etc)?

And maybe a good way to consistently figure out parameter numbers?

I'm missing something here:

Thanks,

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</code></pre>

hyaahyaa
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Re: Map live.remote~ to effect rack knob?

Post by hyaahyaa » Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:04 am

It is not possible, currently, to use live.path to address devices in racks - the only parameters available to the live api are the 8 macro knobs. This is a limitation of the live object model and one that I think is a serious oversight by cycling/ableton.

It is however possible to use live.remote~/live.object to map parameters of M4L devices, with a little ingenuity:

<pre><code>
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

You could, for instance, have a device report its own id, over send/recieve, to another device which affects the first device's parameters. This, of course, does not work with the standard Live devices, or with plugins :/

tomatoe_joe
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Re: Map live.remote~ to effect rack knob?

Post by tomatoe_joe » Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:33 pm

Thanks for the reply hyaahyaa. That is a good trick to keep in mind for live devices.

I would actually like to control one of the 8 macro knobs in a rack with live.remote~ , but I can't even figure that out. For example the first knob of the first device in a given track.

Any more ideas? Thanks,

tomatoe_joe
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Re: Map live.remote~ to effect rack knob?

Post by tomatoe_joe » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:56 pm

I sorta figured out how to control a marco in a rack looking at:

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... bs#p977762

and

http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device.php?id=66

However I'm still wondering if it possible to more directly control a rack parameter rather than using a bunch of bpatcher, unmenu, (M4L.api.DeviceParameterRemote), etc.

Let me know if you have any ideas.

And, I would post what I've got so far, except I can't figure out how to include my customized bpatchers...

LOFA
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Re: Map live.remote~ to effect rack knob?

Post by LOFA » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:09 pm

Is this what you are looking for?

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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

tomatoe_joe
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Re: Map live.remote~ to effect rack knob?

Post by tomatoe_joe » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:22 am

Thanks LOFA,

guess I was missing the loadmess....

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