Store and recall Live Device settings

[morganjenks]

@toscanini I am fairly a noob to using midi cc, so I'm not sure what you're plan is with store/recall using clips, but I believe that this [message] trick will solve your [zl len] issues.


<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
1929.3oc6b10bahCEF9ZmeELbs2Lnugd2t+M5zIC1njPKF7.D2tsS+uufNXa
vFgEN1X4s4FbBeHd4giNR7JA+5gYtKx9grv04SNe1Y1re8vrYpUUuhYM++L2
Ug+XYRXgZ2bW7VYYVp6bXSwQpUls3q+k.uckYuUlHKK+20RnfcWDl9hqyWZ1
7yurLKIKG1l2idyqVDfCnH7bGT8+VsX2Nm91p3zpRScxQMqbcX4xWiSe4ob4
xRnb3DR8gR7qWh81trc4.xBJn5U96GdndwbCuvSkeu5xb60Xo7GpyraoyBmE
8fCt+1U9bVZYZ3JELb+673vDm+IKIZXZM+HpUUJEw+TsSn5qOX0WOTxopB.y
ejU8iuVVhOCVtRVTD9hrOr4ctXaOpVLl.LMbsCrvCAKUIxBfBlvU+vmhHumK
9d35dPHgbtHLNsrNvq9mKEeDBUXDUcnNj.EdtrASZvyZmWjkOsNLuB.kx7mh
iJ5CVh2e7lIHZf5aBJD6DvT+34eBF0onj4MjoAMUpINQtQlWDWkkd+dOyc+I
L.xRRU2YvXJj3r0IrtJTR1xuIUbxa6JijOOpBIasLc+AzTQr0ht6Yb55bYgL
sLrrQ5sOwgukT9TGPier2s+b3Ro1Ct68W2s6xK4wQYo0hnyQVu5smtO6ffaO
r15VsGogq64fKyxRVDluItHdQhrychpv4vz3UgkxxXPOXucGW7p04pJfsJKY
ZXUY7Zwx7rjjNEErkM8rkH4l3kxuGGU9ppr1SqNM42JxoSEsNqevr2cq0UUm
yYWcth16RqJcAj1aX3Jdmnx2.U.0lmRWEQFzsAlJGtO9vL45xlOaaJK3Olel
TsSZrtPMIdi7wpMVqTMDEYkDEgTrD6SfFIOLy1sCoU4ZppwF4DGoind2FhhN
AQgnSLRk8kisGhFWUgWCK8CrYVh7g58b6gk+LwIRlT2RlFfJd2.c90pJOVUW
GQU3jYR.JdZfZd0oT5.sKpqkIe9sCrmJZ0C5lnmJZUvlXvpzoFpgEinxamqY
OitloMMLuc4PUPaskkYqVIgtR45dAQAb5zwBe2y8FLzXIgiL9p0aDWs660ZR
bptN.pjU816GCEYukub6s0s86voqBijEkwo65D+m2ikC1wWiih51oYEoiiVm
U0A3FA57EitwMVcWGwZjtqSHXQ5tG4nQ2B6R20xAYhtCrKcGXHuq6tnEo6dj
iFciN5Fy8gtI1EuIig2WJc2rxpK.vQnhvMxnmfGT7ovxx73EUc4o3HGhFvIj
jrEgIMNKsaebMxnEsq7TV1nQK5b84g8T3R5THzwPM1DRIViMgB0OM9MeEcIT
.l0BF7gBTOuIgMRWBMnP9vkv+e5R36w7EercZX.V.ww36IyWPVMKASAumLeQ
XuluD.4YgAvcx8d4TiKvvVuH317fB.So.NydFT.vNqx7vkeSKRoVqaVMVuBl
Yw8sGWBO8XsHryQuxWkOESQ2jgZYP6AoWI6Agfn6J2AYmq6fvsWBJ39wbPgo
OTbMUrIyAoFpaA0pzsvTyAE1k4IBi4scYpovXSMQ1kollZZe8igYS5FOl3az
cnt4eXNncZNnpa157FjZMdCRUcRvmds8Fjotasax+o5MBodf+Gi2fFTHe3M3
ebdC1d9zejUVu6mms24V+k0Vq1yRCB9vIO+M1BlAsKf6awNvrcBE4OwNvLDQ
qD6qN0FF7Tg1m3iam1Z0fSDQkCFFSo6kI6J0yRmrqvSkC+XSS1UERqCV0.Tx
kwQ6q1Lei13OHjA.Y.XISk0VnS2by4O62v2ey9M74O62fKv.x8iAWTSmsJX6
5AowFa.fcYvE2TCtH1kQQDSMJREPYOFWv8Mj2T6Z1uoBaMg2bt8oaS3M2+Ci
hrMih9YhyWqPceFDwNaChlOVShL3UwkN4uJtvPUuIL4s9dkuo7oCOC4gFo4c
XE25seeRvywOwSG7LQugx3SiFZP+OYyE3cb+fuH.cLsPafi+smLHXXYg4uDi
Ncu8+GMG55PlfaukzP1FhGu+4J20iLslKbsYByyVXBV32+bd65wjCmSac.Cx
NZdh17dO40+jW6Z27zQu05cXD1NZipgQfw.AWCFo866CiX322m1CBS6GvO.l
vmdA5+D8LFHD3oobNbPfPW8Fo169aGfMv3BdU+J1fGccOevMXJm2+nVbAXWG
ai5foc8N17OPQHnMEMyEp9sI5XKhtXezhX76l6zBvKUF7tl1LzJSRSPgqq6u
RezS7tnmFfbE9vX0vNpnkOzSyGYrsc1SShF+6D.xadBTnkflNCYF.U6RWuaA
ddnGKMT83IqUGKXMxWki8TYLPoWqWNJbvT4efxzHeOqU9dFHeFypoO5TxmXq
xmwMM3AYkxmZRvC2Zou3OD4itai8YVadelI48O3VjMIeSZ0kgNg7uvZBYRxb
uoUSlz9HMXR0zAmNMZx2B0j3DIitvZx2TMMgbxjj1T9zpISZFmRlTMQLpwM7
zxIhAZhLwwSlzJJgXe4LIjwkKP3SpM+h3olFR9d6+u2ajlI2UoroM5mXPKgJ
MMcYSYFwI5zF8ytu6DlIHkQuZxWv7TFJCN05yX69uNWXU+yue3+PpkcYP
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

[morganjenks]

I fixed it!... actually, the problem was in the little bit of code I put up a little while ago for toscanini. a set message was going to the wrong place.


<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
1954.3oc6bssbapCE8YmuBFdNmLnq.8sy42nyYxfMJNzhAO.wsm1o+6GPBGC
X.sIASja8KgXttzh8EwRaoed2J60oeWjaa8IqOasZ0Oua0J4tp1wp5euxdWv
22DGjKOM60uTTjlXeu5PIurKJIVTHOF5zNSeon6diBkWe55u7Wt3iW+9fhMO
Gkr8wLwlBELn9tO3buEh4WsA6b7uV+a80nt2E+2dg5BrWGjr090C+z1MowoY
piIuZmG7w9TDt7lJuyU2qpy8W2cW0etGXKOQ7sRveD4EhuKArcg0Zq0ixGOk
lTjG8CIbQUHpOZBeNMw8.PSdT4FG7CrpeokmtuKeAgsZzPRB1Iue1+cVTPr0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.g5
piPwpd.SkTICpw48lEolUhPgkJuX97ZoNDwx0QrNpujwQZo5xLXhUxPCxZS1
IF6BiZn04tO92o3CuIc2NgpqT1yIUndrfrfZyENCvEdvR2R3nQHCcs1S8ZMN
JYnN.Je3UGueZHO8krMGI6i88xpMNBE4EQIu1I9OepKEcNwmiBCa2oYISGEt
OsrCv0.ToUi1WbSF2NPwM4JE2U7MxXvcUNaX31wn36pTicnw9wcOMvOTbyAx
2xFn4farKTbyMK+RDPbWEqe1vc8NKa.JEgxCNHBeT8ghOFTTjEstrKO4moPT
exj7lzVYab55f3ZgndsCH1SP5kQNzPp9b2IVXNUJT0wvKlLgThdYBw9x9Y6i
LAUBcUR6pD3C4K+tTBahpDB3lbSkveOUIzbDewCq86aUxy6iuI9hNtDAjKqG
.2ahunQi.WceHruJ1IgX7ZunabAzI8xbJgsKG1fBnpv.N65aPATxYUjEr4qK
iZVtTcTJugXVbuqSUBW5wZwU2nW4IimhoHidnVla4AgYq8Gg5fLPFHDjuoIN
XU+t.8Qwtl0GyCG2DyRjMnhPzSC7iD2tfEYyrDQtJgHL6DyRjMW9TruMHwAA
y2TyhugNHIUg5uINnIJNnra1WNsAo.zFjKyuWWvuevZCxjFAuV7ex9bPpJRf
onMHfaxMsA+iSavlET+Et5LnZkxpY0YPNqF6mPc1aJRvnQtf47Ca4dfTf4XQ
E4YnJvLFiV1nd1pRvfGyEKiZAbsUTjhNQppy2EcqXW0QoTskloJtMVs4ZrXW
kTZkw57FWkzOgRzVZWzZsAUd9nIHT3uCU9FBVZmoos04YatZz2BCz+SM33Fk
.WP+fTtmYIvEEnfKbyRXtdnw9wM0rphLBTAtj31bDTjCUnHhgUEYfEB0rDJh
Bs5Nw3aBEYZBE8iXquTR0WjIjKkAXB4xAOgba0MpEXp3pFp5CAwuHtHSUdJe
L8ybUziibCmZdzy4ewy6v5oO4Ec0SOT2AFe4EZNt2YEAnknECa37tYlwViEX
LWk9jxuVgQMqY++Y0P2LKIsu9HNT7.SVwOVloQsvMubByA.m3LvjN7ikS5VS
aya5IFBvRffKt+BXyTROc1rVedyQwv.3Hpp9u+H4n1qvOMGPkF3EqF5FjZYe
nmUom21JCDCRMxqdz87L6N3OHMqXPyXVpSx+N2qkM3IDdZrQQjWOU8U4zH.V
ufFy55sXX0R2HHFHN8zDY.VtdXCLKIOWiHiZUKZJuo45SDwUqOK0Cxxh9ldf
vrA6q5vB7fqSgPbA78QpYeRs0gCLB4cs7XcA5sWtFOn2LANZGgURQyUUXnK8
Cg.kmVawaU7YWQVpY0yDWg0RqmADVg0RHqyEUoY6A0tbDZ1T5U1kyrD.ibBD
jSgibcuI5.eluSU5BLUFek6ie8WuyFFkMyuRlXCaIduP08dYdwDoUIoNDlXs
NoEASNPvzxwSLG.XpCYpESbLox0fp56Amd5WuWGENTztbLHExaUh6xZ86BIf
BdY4IH4cnK76NH7TGitKNl7ffok0dh5CESHCCSdlWzzN.+hiIDfLgc.9EGSX
HwmPKKl7tt6DFjTiLOiE9fxXw0Dg4J.9WuFObGSk8k0Ci1PbDSk84PxZvXFK
78fZ7Xjv2ERtH9BE3r7G+5t+G7plkTC
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

pid and toscanini, Thank you both a ton. It was the first few posts in this thread that finally gave me the epiphany of how to navigate the LOM!!

and the patch is done. REJOICE!!
http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device.php?id=384

[toscanini]

I see the knobs flick to the correct settings for a moment, but then they snap back to where they were before.
@Toscanini, is this what you mean about my patch not storing more than a few presets?

Yes, absolutely. I have seen the same behaviour in your patcher. (But I must confess I might have forgotten to recheck parameter enable of pattrstorage. As pid (or hoffmann in his tutorial?) claims, that setting won't remain if you copypaste from code)

@toscanini I am fairly a noob to using midi cc, so I'm not sure what you're plan is with store/recall using clips, but I believe that this [message] trick will solve your [zl len] issues.

Not midi cc (control change), but PROGRAM change. Program change messages are to change presets, for example. If you have a VST plugin in Live, you can recall its presets from Live's midi clips. You do this with the Bank/Sub-Bank/Program menus in the midi clip's properties. As the midi clip is fired, the PC message goes along with it. In your M4L patcher you need to connect a midiparse object to midiin. midiparse's 4th port transmits Program Change messages.

The idea is to have a hierarchy of strength of different messages. If both scene and clip send information, clip wins (on its own track only)

I'll check your trick for the zl len, maybe you have found a simpler way to solve the problem than I had. And I need to check your newer patchers: there is too much activity in this thread suddenly

________
I have checked only your last version, the maxforlive.com upload. Seems perfectly bug free now:) And cool that you have built it as an audio effect.
________
The real advantage that I see recalling on set's basis is that eventually one can include parameters of effects that live on return tracks and master track.
...but for now I am looking forward to studying your patcher. Lots of things that I need to understand, lots of things to learn

[toscanini]

@morganjenks yep, your loop trick is really nice indeed. It first made me dizzy but now I get it
...but I see you also use deferlow. Maybe in my last patches I could have used deferlow to force one process to wait until the other side is finished, instead of doubling a part of the structure. I will try that.

I am a bit clueless about what exactly an output from your textedit window depends on. I see the output doesn't repeat if I press "write preset" while the same clip is playing and the parameters are unchanged. Is this the real interest to use textedit in this case?

Finally I was worrying about store actions to go "all the way" and recall the exact same settings that were just stored. I had the idea that this could be left out, this is why I was looking for a solution with pattr "clones". But this is how your structure also works, so I guess i won't worry anymore
cheers,
toscanini

[morganjenks]

Hey Toscanini. Kind of funny, but I've completely overlooked the program change feature on clips. your idea about monitoring scenes for preset recall, but having indevidual tracks deviate from the scene with a PC is a great idea. I'm not sure about the timing relationship between live.observer and midiparse, but you could probably use a buddy object which would always receive the launched scene and only receive a PC if there was one.

The textedit is being fed through a [prepend set], so populating that list never outputs. The autopattr recall is monitoring clip launches and not presses of the 'write preset' button. When the pattr state changes, it outputs automatically!

looking forward to seeing what you end up with.

[pid]

hiya you two. just got back from being away. found this thread, and what i found is... you both made cool stuff! nice one, and thanks too.

[toscanini]

No, thanks to you
I might have some time to progress in the next days, I'll post as soon as there is something.

[morganjenks]

I started a thread on the c74 forum to update with troubleshooting as I go.

http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?i ... ost-140730

[JuanSOLO]

WOW, Killer stuff. I got on this thread late, been busy trying to do similar things in a way thats very crude.

I haven't had the chance to try anything other than the ClipStates, but I will be trying the others soon.

However I have always been trying to utilize the Program Change as the manner in which I use to recall "presets" so to speak. When I saw ClipStates, I got really excited in how it worked and how on the fly it was, BUT what happens if I want to rearrange my clips, or import them from one set to another? This starts to make utilizing the program change numbers like the way forward for me.

Currently my Live set is mainly for performing with my band. The bulk of it is mainly for Drums, for example, track 1 = kick, track 2 = snare, and so on through 8. Each track has a sampler with 127 samples in it utilizing the sample selection to recall different samples. The other tracks in my set are 1 for a Reaktor synth and then lots of sends for FX and such.

So the ClipStates has really given me a different way to think about storing all may Macro settings. However I guess I need to get to hacking and posting and get you guys input till I get to the solution I desire. I am really wanting to store only the parameters for all Racks across the first 8 tracks, my drums. And I am wanting to store/recall that via program change.

[JuanSOLO]

I cant get toscanini's patch to work?

[toscanini]

I cant get toscanini's patch to work?

All it does so far (best is to check the forelast patch that I posted) is compile a list with all ID numbers and corresponding parameter settings of all devices present in the set (does not include devices on return and master tracks yet).
This list can be used in a pattr object "as it is", and once you build a live set with all devices on their definitive places my idea was that you deal with id numbers that don't change anymore and therefore you can recall the parameter settings with "Id i" messages, even if these are not output from any live.path object, but just because you happen to know the correct ids. (this needs to be proved though)
I said I would finish this but haven't had time yet... sorry

[toscanini]

Ok, here is an update, sorry for being so unbelievably slow...


It now stores and recalls all device settings, even those on return and master tracks.
...but it does not save the presets along with Live sets yet. It would be really cool is someone could give me a hint about how to include this feature. Also, probably in this specific case the best way would be to force the system to retrieve IDs for all tracks> devices> parameters before anything else, with a loadbang: this would allow to have these IDs corresponding always to the same items.
For further development I like the idea to give scenes names and to save presets with the corresponding names. This also implies kind of some extra linking of scene IDs to given names, but seems more "natural" than giving preset numbers.
All help suggestions thoughts welcome;)

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
3845.3oc6cssbihjD8Y2eEDJ1m1viCp6v91t+FSLgCrD1MSiPNjPd5YlX92W
pJovfDWRzEDXQ2QXAhKUlGxJqrxr3n+9aOr3kM+Lb2Bm+iyu57vC+82d3AyW
o+hGx2+gEqC94x3fclSaw5vc6BdKbwivwRC+Yp462El57QP79Pm+EwdvW2jj
tK5uB0m.w8I27uNZk4J17xu+KRg8beOHc42iRd64sgKSAAhwxtDGAmp+Ppz+
kHex042xujj8qiRhCSMBF8yuby9T62RJIIIAqMRxh+61nfXm+2l3U1FGthz+
78PnkWrv42zG4e912z+4QjXSR3ejoTGAM6SdOX4ObhbdsG.CqEfgC.CA9..F
ul.FRs.C8DAlnjzEO5r303MAoWTP58sguGlrxIZUO.IZKfDwk.lOlOjzSAkl
tlODDHyWJ6m3nOBeJ6.ZsDMLIHc59Q55q+vqCTZD694uhchRC25PwiKb+tMe
3Rt4Cwo.Lmp4i114z.mkaVuNLI83wsR2rsXzrLmP6xNofznMIk0XyCeoQSAq
hJ5KB7zqM7TH02RJqgaeYg5fNjc0K0sCX9BhiY5SPbLJfjX7EyDmBPJaAHE9
kvQwHGGeYeZZlbzAdYrLXl9aTW6eKznx.CuSfAhZnlayY.Ljl5n9RPxamnWr
8qeIbKdeUr1BBvy3ihXtRGg6Q1DYJXz58q6Tqyjvhyi5cMFQ7L.r1CnJKv7d
.ljNASknT33i63opXI0PWLl5S2t0Xff.xb6Dx3b7le8pyXYyR2ogUoNT1cNQ
3MIoptG6z2y.ySgXzvaS5INYaRZqSLx2Xrqn2eFkMl7hxAA1M7RPDNmpbXHi
5rVziHQ.2YsGIBQzM3.ozY7GJR89vdKHsOFKskIGpxCljoAXYzmDicGXM0Ex
EOhnnHrP7kkPD4TDQ5QZPUsECA00chgHMzuYa1sOzom9ZktXl5r4CIaHyj0o
mJhpvyGAaKZ18tbka1+njZBbJMcqF6JYpgv4iryfSsfm+.GPe9g1E7Q3pmgD
28rVGixFOBJIwCE32CKVFGkMtPIgWw8xFj0L4N8VBUgbq00sYxRZ31mCSBdI
NrjjlevrPbRWuYUXoI2+vhbzsZWuGg+34ZBVxEdfqeXWV7Kj6Vz.SwQ17p8q
seeYo0BPrGO9XZINCVKoQt0bV699lse9fXuxOS3cIb6PPUN2L8OyrDlRq5o5
tawaRdqG2rHyP1t0eqhR9g9VsqIIWeCN3ARU0+0MFwntFeeF1rqwitY6prHt
a39tJ70lO3t2CCWEGAgxVqZsKM78FUove99lDctxZ7xiR9HZWzAVnGoYo+Y9
IT2sHHIYSdzZEOpp8ATGOqW+4iO3fFmZ1OtXd3LA3k8vpV2aNGbTD4Crs7UP
8go3nf.xImhCN14L5vikczkoZlQ9fJ38nCTClGM8WbjO57KtOwxjxL+MOwUJ
Bkj4zI+r7y+j3luwYd4DgcCocC0i4g3S7xumD+7Mnt1MH1Mn1MX1M31MrhDU
Z2PY2vdmoVAhYtyTNQxn5zblebl81yX1Szb6UT8+zSpxdbaavrsAKqM9E+mn
DpvOqUXFcH6fbqNvsMB21HbPGXDsnys5A21FbaavssA2pGbqdHpnGBaSHrMg
vpGBPOXtDQ10Jrsgv1FBaaHz5Ag8jfP7H56oUQjVEQRzmQdsMsem8wgzpFxB
KDaSHsMgzpFRqZnpnFJqZnr2dkUMTfZHTFYSI.qOhRiUJaCorMjxnK7mHJFU
+nWY0EOqt3o0ESeUOaa4YUEOqp3YUEOaK3YaAOqp3YUE+JphuUU7s2deqp3a
t8dREQeS7ssgusM7ssguQKDOkEFtqFm8sZAw0pFDWsd.Ag5RK9RVwV7hsDEa
IK1RUrUQWP2httjJJDgX0HBongHrhSFTJ3ABgXZLlcuhFjTzfjbcyiJU5G6D
RgxUz4mTz6mTz8mTz+mT3.fT3AfT3BfT3Cfj6Dnug+UWDctWpwmJFD5e2qZj
11DSxrzgRr6O7yqWmkrKb8iWEFGrrGS6f0V8i4tPgnfRHHnSi5G25bZKLO6Q
nKLODXDyGbaMEmX6mw147VX5ykh5cUefIIBXBpnbliyaybXMRFLMhxNsdMJN
7iLahp4xTGInU98YdeVeHJERBnWI4OCweKdyxeDtpxLUyl0RutIadOL4yKv3
ItxepdlQIGlF1xMbv93zmq7bi9TsG+UsKilt3p.scBKKdaazpMIZgnxUp+Za
yoy5CDDaY41bFIAuWyEmtYS7KAaqYlVZy4fjn0AogoQf7nmre9AiV+91HX1a
EeGL5y22sb6l33J2J3HeTyQVE9Qzxv+HZU52qN+3pK9xx4DnbGsJeeqod7fr
TGldreoV5zcXGOeV4qotUUPd.+PkAnGVniFck2bWPDcCaMMkkl1p0s0ofpUb
i00pLqOHJoCDk.SAi5AUi9nLx8kDROZge1GD0sKDMOAwDu5WDnMNFwTFQ0q1
u9ikd93vRhW976uKvxCC9sO.ppK.EVpZDtr9.g6S2c54BnONffJDzLLt3ILx
jmrKf0MOeWtetfkNUK0wGvZj5E0CMTENngmO1s8uMiLtn5C2bvwP0axWznlj
SeAgBnYaBK7vMbKSRvBFMal31Cs8ynViiRZJ.Pi7pOd8vvtM62tzB11v0bpJ
5qB2kFkTDD+u9YTHGbheOZ0ppAMCqCnUuuIK.3bADoMbukaWrxMahJ2Z7lLZ
ja8v73ja2QEdqGM8.Xrd4tFE7lJ2Rj3sQAGOxMUgUtkiq9kDjxsd3gKlbW+x
BnyzZ2U5TpMMJMcxuEu4kf37bQcTsfaO0LsjRlVxZyEOA7PlBg.C6YZBEcml
PhGjMUxDKKgDX1qBHLEe30PRv5WVBQbSlyR3WyrD14Lw1FlteaxyoaCV9iSX
9XcknPedo0egK8q0rw5DbWGryr1tzfa+wVZWygI+8uzNiWxcC5dN4MzqSXkB
uKIPk2lyaXaXIAIVl+5YNm2vN.TkBk+TR96r1WrzF1UIsN4rFpj3pmE08yW1
6u70yBFh5TG3Ww6BRg2Nu70a1cyPSmUUBUcENEPEETfWS9JUjvVSrMNSs6h7
ZKPYfvf0d1DOs15H0PkNG03JMT3ka13J8vXSeVMJ3sTtUnSO73p7G5gPwYmL
tROrR1G66QTZsQi27wEdis7d5QGlh38D0LYb4EjMMclPuEh8bIatfkrwLCxd
VwFNhJ1.bLWNKNMcpXCMmTEEdkVOmL8RytOkrAycYtlM2mqr6yqpBckJLV9a
GJsT8R+RjJrtf0yrRXBb3JvDe92GKY9TmWf+eBkVf2YoEfWhS65kWb5IXjel
3ogkgdrgOGTa3S03U5gy5EdCifAk956UHCG9tiNgtOuK7Dxlqry0pbdwEg7z
oHyuFMcAo7NeoOfvHnvG2IuFMFHUardBqeCERaTfifDm0ZLfcIJjyvtl5I3F
E5pW6g7gRt40efhr+GLr7Du.DXyyIebsboESSwV5MMkacjpNLDxsbbUlJJ5x
8vGe3MF4V5M9jaLkoRL9DaJF3dbkNbrEEz3MY7TDVI1AcXiq73yw9NQQoyIx
+lkH+p78b4.6ZkQiTpR4DrFpa91PQys8yQVOnjXRq+7Y.qYUJLwm7egVlhDv
avxk6W2CPg1s8.GBxmKauBMrwNCWEGlzCfws0eb1xo3b3W4F4zfdqZpezeEu
LNLnG+brzFyeIxo4772Ac5jsiTlAyaa2r+8d7KMFBdJEVQmb+IMgn85t+HnG
3Bm1MvvgWf.1fBL4+VSboc0bVbgFssNWz72uhYtPalKzlqX9LWnMyEZybg1L
WnMyEZybg1LWnMyEZybg18DWncS3.n6WNWZpxwUSVNEahxgaSUNyaxxQg2DN
gbtdb2XtPiJ6NMgDOuIIWnofr.CI3yveY5fV5IWng3lLmkvYtP65wEZ4+XaN
yEZWCtPy2+diJzNOV7gfhYUfwKtiHwmY9kale4l4WtY9kale4lYBsYlPalIz
t0I0dpx.PSUlhZpxnXSUFbaxxXdSTFJDMEWQlITr6VBEiLMITrYdPatbMSEd
PixPTslIJOnwxWN1v7zfjc0aZPCwMYtZMyrf10iEz7mYAsqAKnA4CalEztTr
fV9R7blFzFFZPC9XlFztrzfFyclFzloAswMMnAKh9YZPalFzloAso.ubM8Ht
HwDFsmnra0Dj71lpjf1Tkz4tMza08KchMYousaBIVNmG+KE0976YPcOHCJeD
LXi3FvfMWbp8AVlweDDuOrGvCo0xa.YyGVx1xSp7FiF343Yyi.dTHPGor9Iv
O9nKqlXQLc935ocSquCSPGIF76ngfOY4QriVi4XXLqtc2v.xT33kU9UtbgWN
fozREGyOkTcCITeQ8qN7ICjb3J9FSokQPWXRU8qx6I3HSGwvSXFdBADA0e1m
NMFcpQ5c0CyBMvUMHz6p41VM+TftcXr14Z3wwXWIz4ll+Xk0AzwwVeXb0DoP
W6LJrNKnLxw64C3izytSCOivpGbBB8fTYEO1sdblxjhhUl5O1JjfokmpXuyU
ZcuBRK00+5HsXdbS6mrdlRDshsEh0R4UWhXHvH9fJQbDRjbzIQpA0qgDoDMb
XjBiiAxv1YCisMcXMkn9XvogUjvXLcfbeskIBFW2b53ySIsetAzrysPOGRWX
pjet245xBUXEC6CUNlQ+Lxzv4HkfJfld9TkyMgewk4ubft.q8KO+.Z3Xk1d7
TUvLRKyCxyimrXuy0wh6UPZsxGPmGk26LkVLNlE8DYILicP1jZDOZ6qa16bs
CtBB645cDioIafkIAFYZXC.fgYzVl2vJSdXjogcvBlOlAKbG1nRvLnJeXkIt
KRWAC2XpX50wG1Xb8vD7VOMvyyKEg6AqPQVwdCgvRYiO.jvOMDDpvTdbHl8F
BokchRqvTbCNgVr2f7718Dk1xQ0Y16bS8fKBGypg0IHpDTqF1oKRvLnJcXSR
CkhUlFtQKnnxbz.mkFLxjbfC9.yvpDuwmLQG3zzfwW.aXC+fgIcVrgEm37qf
L8Yo5x9K6BU1NFc74g.kLMzdHPkgx9FkKTNNY9KhG79UTcOtoZ+NjrOD46ct
1lXxugbX6CKwzGVNv8gQgS8s3w4OG8sKVE6NmK.xPD3nrmYHx2HqB6OCnE6b
txJlA1DCrAHEqLcpAuksy+7s+Ob7pq9M
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

[earmade2]

Hi Toscanini,

Great job !
I've been looking for something like this for a long time.
Few weeks ago I started to build a max patch for this kind of purpose but my skills are very bounded...
I think your work would be definitly awesome if we could also store and recall informations such as volumes, track states, send levels, etc...
May be you're already working on it. A real snapshot function in Live is really missing !
Thanks for sharing !

http://www.myspace.com/earmade

[toscanini]

Hello,
I still haven't succeeded to figure out how to have preset recalls up and going as a Live set is loaded. (I am talking about the version of the patch as pasted in my last post)
This is what I have observed by trial and error:

-I start a Live set with my patch as a Max MIDI device.
-I throw some devides, on the same track to make sure I see what's happening
-I store some parameter settings, then save and quit the Live set. I come back. Now:

-if I try to recall presets, it won't work
-if i start by storing something, after that: recalling works!

-I tried to get all IDs needed with a loadbang: won't help
-I tried to force a store event (which actually includes getting all IDs) with a loadbang: wont help
-my patch includes a kind of a gate mechanism to avoid store actions to go through a loop (i.e. parameter values are "get" first in order to be stored, and than "set" to the same value, which seems to be avoidable. I removed the gate: won't help

The problem is that I don't know if the problem is at parameter setting level of the pattr and pattrstorage objects, or if it has to do with my structure. I have looked at other structures that work, but I cannot figure it out.
Thank you for helping me here:)
toscanini

[JuanSOLO]

GEEZ I have tried and tried to figure this out, and I am with you, totally stumped.


When this gets figure out I am going to ecstatic.