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 Post subject: Re: Store and recall Live Device settings
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:54 am 

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Hello. New and more clear information about the attributes of the pattrstorage object from Ben Bracken over at Cycling'74. Disregard the pics I had posted. . . .


"...set the parameter mode enable to 1, the initial enable to 1, and the Auto-update Parameter Initial Enable to 1.

You will also want to set the savemode to 0 and the autorestore to 0, as it doesn't sound like you want a preset file at all, and rather want the pattrstorage's parameter to save the slots."

--edit-- freeze the attributes or type them in as arguments with the @ syntax, or the savemode and autorestore will be set to 1 by default


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 Post subject: Re: Store and recall Live Device settings
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:44 pm 

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Morganjenks, thank you for the recent info. Still no success here, although I believe I have set everything as you said. I could share my experiences but it would just take a long post and probably not very useful info. God this is frustrating.
Never mind, I keep trying. Just wanted to make you know that I am on it. In the meantime, instead of trying out all possible combinations of pattr and pattrstorage inspector settings I guess I'll try to build from scratch, taking in consideration stuff I have learned in the meantime, namely Hoffmann's advice to follow device parameters and not IDs, proper triggering order, your loop trick, etc... At least when I am finally done it will be a device where you can change track order, add tracks and devices, and former stored info still will be kept. Maybe :?

btw not sure your posted pics were so bad after all, for instance if both objects (pattr and pattrstorage) had "parameter enable", setting "order" to a higher number in pattr (2 in your example) would make it work again (to a certain extent). Another thing I haven't seen much description about.


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 Post subject: Re: Store and recall Live Device settings
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:55 pm 

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Ah, Morganjenks, one more question:
your TrackStates patch is really complicated compared to the ClipStates. From what I understand it also works on track's basis, so why so much more code? (except of course of the sexy dynamic UI)?


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 Post subject: Re: Store and recall Live Device settings
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:17 am 

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You might not find this funny, but I switched TrackStates to use ID#s when I decided to include the master and receive tracks. The paths for master and return device parameters are a different length of list.

The patch might look even bigger than it is because of the silly colors. . . .there is more involved because of the interpolation (you have to stop possibly occurring interpolation before storing a preset or launching a new one and things like that)


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 Post subject: Re: Store and recall Live Device settings
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:52 am 

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Hey, Morganjenks,
after another long moment of playing around with inspector settings today (I was secretly expecting improvements from 5.1.7, the changelog talks a lot about pattr...) I finally did what I should have done long time ago: customize your ClipStates to work with all tracks.

I needed a little hack for the master_track: indeed "0. live_set master_track devices 1 parameters 6" has one element less than "1. live_set tracks 2 devices 1 parameters 0", which is a problem when it comes to chopping up the list into parts with equal number of elements. Edit: I realize now this is exactly what you were also talking about just in your last post!

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</code></pre>


As for the pattr and pattrstorage inspector settings, (if someone else wants to try this out), these are the ones of Morganjenks' ClipStates upload, so probably the safest is to copypaste from there, otherwise here they are:

pattrstorage inspector:

order 0
parameter mode enable On
initial enable Off
auto-update parameter initial value Off
autorestore 1
savemode 1


pattr inspector:

output value on change On
restore saved value at patcher load On
order 0
parameter mode enable On
initial enable Off



So it is probably a bit basic, but seems to work here... it just seems necessary to clear the pattrstorage every once in a while.

Morganjenks, by interpolation you mean the values changing one after the other instead of changing nice together, and how this affects the sound? Huh, I guess I'll worry about that later..;)


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 Post subject: Using paths rather than IDs this time
PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:32 pm 

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Hello,
I am back to this thread after a long time. I am trying to rebuild this device listening to Hoffmann's advice, and save data according to patches, and not IDs. The device is supposed to save parameter values for all devices on its own track, except for itself.
But I stumble into a strange problem: with more than one device (beside the max device), the lowest number of parameters for a device will determine the number of parameters for other devices as well. Extra parameters get "no valid object set" message.
I believe it is again a situation where I should use defer or deferlow, but I still have no intuition about those - or it has to do with the $1 variable, and an improper way I try to use it?

Thank you for giving a look...

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rBEHNRT61sBFT1aG6NzILDkbXqVQI.RZI5TxKU+hus7+Afr8MfC
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>


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 Post subject: Re: Store and recall Live Device settings
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:14 am 

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hi there again.

i have not tried this new one in m4l, but looking briefly at the code i noticed something which might be a problem. not sure if it is your problem though (!):

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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epEjGzh3Pe5v7Kf44YS8+ymu3+X.bp7I
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

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 Post subject: Re: Store and recall Live Device settings
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:40 am 

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pid, I cannot tell you enough how grateful I am! At first view your change instantly fixes my patch and it is kind of relieving to have a situation like this where I seem to have been just a little bit off the right path. Thank you really for doing the comparison with the original patch, a real help for understanding the trigger order in this specific case.

Anyway I just wanted to post as quickly as possible after 4 days (!) away from the internet. Tomorrow I'll add the result of what I've come up with because it is simple and seems to work fine. (Even nicer will be a patch where paths are remembered as linked to device names; indeed this will allow inserting devices into existing presets (not only to the end of fx queue) without messing up former preset settings.)
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 Post subject: a good solution (I hope)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:46 pm 

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Ok. Here is a patch that can be dropped on any track into the leftmost device (devices 0), audio or MIDI.

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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N.2aZ7bfFzwlrvEEn4RBo9hoJbxV.dcpFKnKfFmV7j7he7v+Grc5QkB
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

Its only little limitation as I can see now is that if you want it to work fully automatically, you need to send the store/recall commands from another patch. (Actually, if you want to be saving parameters for devices in multiple tracks in a set, it is even more logical so.) The preset store/recall master patch can be as simple as this:

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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ilmFb0J++Fpn2DUgexnpuJLFpn+Gnx7wI++.tNNvqC
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

I plan to work on an even more accurate preset saving system where you could change devices' places on a track, or add new devices, without messing up existing presets. Another extra goodie would be for gates and compressors to remember sidechain routings. I'll keep posting about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Store and recall Live Device settings
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:48 pm 

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 Post subject: storing recalling independent from device order
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:02 pm 

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Hello, here is a solution that seems to work independently from the device order. The idea is that before each store or recall action two colls are compiled: one outputs a device's name according to its index. The other does the opposite. The first coll makes sure that in the path names that fill the textedit "devices n" will be replaced by the actual parameter name. The other coll makes sure that at the textedit's output existing devices will be found and indexed. This seems to work for moving around, removing and adding devices.

This method cannot handle device chains where multiple similar devices are present. I could really need some help for this. Basically I'd need a zl-ish method that takes a list as an output, if the list contains symbols more than once, the second and following elements get indexes. For example [dog cat bird cat] becomes [dog cat bird cat1]

My other problem is that it would be very very convenient to have the main store/recall center in a floating max window. Unfortunately I do not manage to get a pattrstorage - preset combo in a pcontrol window, to save with a live set. Is there a trick for this? (actually I have already asked about something similar here: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=169409)

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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</code></pre>


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 Post subject: Re: Store and recall Live Device settings
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:46 pm 

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This method cannot handle device chains where multiple similar devices are present. I could really need some help for this. Basically I'd need a zl-ish method that takes a list as an output, if the list contains symbols more than once, the second and following elements get indexes. For example [dog cat bird cat] becomes [dog cat bird cat1]

A much simpler solution for this: rename the device :lol: :lol:

I was assuming this couldn't be done because I tried with Reaktor plugins and those couldn't be renamed. (Although I think I remember this was possible with former versions of Live... I might be mistaken though)

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Another extra goodie would be for gates and compressors to remember sidechain routings.

This cannot be done with the current API access. But since more than one compressor's settings can be remembered in the same chain, this is no problem anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: Store and recall Live Device settings
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:04 pm 

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A question though:

Now I am happy with my save_track_parameters patch (the last patch posted) and make an abstraction out of it. As I drop this abstraction into a new device I remember to configure the pattrstorage and preset object inside. And still, the patch won't work, I guess because it is one level deeper down in the structure.

This patcher depth issue is driving me crazy. I have asked about similar issues already without an answer, maybe I do not formulate my question correctly. But I'd really need a detailed description of encapsulation's limitations, or a way to configure pattrstorage to work correctly inside an encapsulation.


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