petition: tighten move playing position in M4L

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JuanSOLO
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Re: petition: tighten move playing position in M4L

Post by JuanSOLO » Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:16 am

Yeah if this got sorted out, it would eliminate Reaktor for my MashUp techniqs.

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Re: petition: tighten move playing position in M4L

Post by gavspav » Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:11 pm

i kind of assumed that the reason this hasnt been addressed wasnt because it was a niche issue but cos it was really hard to sort out without changing the way m4l and live interact.

my +1 still stands though.......

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Re: petition: tighten move playing position in M4L

Post by XPM » Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:57 am

To be honest, from all of the testing that's been done by users, it seems that this is a fundamental flaw in the timing between max and live. I would hope that the timing issue would be given a high priority before m4l is expanded as the more elements that are piled on top of shaky foundations, the higher the likelihood of instability further down the line.
Would be nice to know if this is being looked into.
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Re: petition: tighten move playing position in M4L

Post by tchan » Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:36 am

It's good to remain positive...after all, if MIDI sync has finally been addressed after all these years maybe there's hope yet for m4l timing ;-)

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Re: petition: tighten move playing position in M4L

Post by drones » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:57 am

Hello,

I bump this topic because I want to know if this move playing position issue in M4L will be resolved with Ableton 9 ?

Thanks,
Yann

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Re: petition: tighten move playing position in M4L

Post by Surreal » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:06 pm

In for 1. Wait, that isn't the correct response here.

I would really, REALLY appreciate this. It would be awesome.

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Re: petition: tighten move playing position in M4L

Post by pucklermuskau » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:25 pm

here here! a resolution to this issue is long overdue...
i drop on the lokeymassive

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Re: petition: tighten move playing position in M4L

Post by madlab » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:17 am

Did anyone try to quantize the play_position output to move loop points for example ?
I've come with this but it doesn't work as intended.

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This is another test with a change in the play_pos observer : instead of observing the play_position, I tried to get playing_position but that doesn't work at all : the position seems to be right in the message box of the play_pos subpatch but whatever the length of the loop I try to set up, the clip loops on a 16th note from the 1.1.1 of the clip....

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Re: petition: tighten move playing position in M4L

Post by broc » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:04 am

I've looked at your patches but there are too many variables to identify where timing problems may occur. For investigating the effect of quantization it would be helpful to have minimal test patches containing only the relevant elements.

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Re: petition: tighten move playing position in M4L

Post by madlab » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:19 am

Thanks for taking the time for that. Did you see anything obvious in the second device that could explain its strange behaviour ? I can't explain myself what is going on in this one and tell myself I must have overlooked something obvious.
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Re: petition: tighten move playing position in M4L

Post by broc » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:07 pm

Just keep in mind that the timing of observe, get and set is not accurate in general.
There is some unpredictable delay because the Live API runs on a low-priority thread.

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