Tapestop (using curve and a delay)

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zalo
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Re: Tapestop (using curve and a delay)

Post by zalo » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:57 pm

i figured out what the VST is doing!!!!!!!!!!!!

1. i had made the assumption that you could do them individually, but they are linked
2. the tapestart starts the moment you release the tapestop and finishes by skipping ahead to live audio
3. a true tapestart can not be done outside of production, aka no live true tapestart

for the picture people i have made this

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now that i understand what is being done i can recreate it, the reason no one thought of doing it this way is because this isnt a good way to do it, it might be effective but it will never sound right

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Re: Tapestop (using curve and a delay)

Post by S4racen » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:39 pm

So what you're saying is effectively it's a cheat, therefore everyone posting and arguing is right... it's a live wind up that when reaching normal speed jumps forward in time the euivalent of the wind up time to get back in sync... so it'll only sound effective if the wind up is done in periods of beats bars etc.

nice work!!!

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Re: Tapestop (using curve and a delay)

Post by dna598 » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:59 pm

absolutely no problem at all, glad to have been of service...lol. :roll:
ctrl + left/right = select transient

ctrl + shift + left/right = select between transients

ctrl + space = play selection

stringtapper
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Re: Tapestop (using curve and a delay)

Post by stringtapper » Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:18 am

S4racen wrote:So what you're saying is effectively it's a cheat

This is exactly what kept coming up in my mind, that it must be some kind of a trick for it to work. Glad zalo figured it out and hopefully he can make a patch for the people who desperately need a tape start effect.

dna598 wrote::roll:

I'm sorry, did you say something?
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zalo
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Re: Tapestop (using curve and a delay)

Post by zalo » Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:41 am

here is a start, messy and not quite right yet

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Re: Tapestop (using curve and a delay)

Post by chapelier fou » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:53 am

Zalo are you saying that the wind up audio material is in fact the continuation of the wind down ? Not sure to understand your drawing. Anyway, this seem exciting !
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Re: Tapestop (using curve and a delay)

Post by chapelier fou » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:53 am

(gonna test it after breafast...)
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zalo
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Re: Tapestop (using curve and a delay)

Post by zalo » Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:58 pm

chapelier fou wrote:Zalo are you saying that the wind up audio material is in fact the continuation of the wind down ? Not sure to understand your drawing. Anyway, this seem exciting !
yes, its all delayed audio, and once it is finished winding back up it just skips back ahead to live audio

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Re: Tapestop (using curve and a delay)

Post by chapelier fou » Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:18 pm

Amazing. Sorry for not having tested the patch, intende musical inspiration and recordings. Just realized that the day passed...
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Re: Tapestop (using curve and a delay)

Post by zalo » Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:52 pm

cleaned up the code a little, messed with some values, i dont know, i dont really like this effect so i am going to stop working on it, the only time i use my original tapestop effect is when the party gets shut down by the cops and we have to cut the music, to me tapestop is the audio version of disappointment

but on the plus side, this is a pretty big boost for anyone who wants to perfect it

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Re: Tapestop (using curve and a delay)

Post by S4racen » Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:53 pm

With you on that, i never used the slow start up on the cdj's so find this a little pointless, i do like to slow things down then reverse that same sample to get back to standard speed....

Thanks for putting in the time!

Cheers
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