LFO everything 1.6 ....... faster, simpler, cleaner !

[emajcher]

personally I would say it is and would probably use a standard license, BUT, if a CC license is strong enough to protect a max patch then it seems like it would be a more 'recognisable' license to people who use max. Im guessing that a lot of max4live users will have come across CC at some point but relatively few would know anything about source code licenses beyond a rough idea of the GPL or something.

The license is right on the page of every device on http://www.maxforlive.com. It is hyperlinked in case a person has any questions on the usage of the max patch.

By the way, I tried the diff on the 2 modules using TextWrangler, and I stand corrected, it worked surprisingly well (probably not from Julien's perspective). I think I now remember one of the max releases being targeted at keeping the JSON consistent so you could use a version control systems like SVN. It found only 301 differences out of +3000 lines of JSON code. All of these differences are related to objects that were renamed to remove my initials, some of the patch chords and some fonts (in the renamed objects).

On a side note, I might starting using SVN on my mac to version patches, I have gotten to points in the past where I wish I could go back in time, this could be very useful!

[julienb]

LFO 1.6 is out with that now famous part of the code rewrited completely.
it is simpler and a bit faster.
This part is about 2% of the WHOLE device.

I also improved the offset & several things inside.


It uses combinaison of JS & objects:

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/*
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
this funky code has been written by me, julien bayle, a particular sunday morning,
but you can edit it, as a lot of my others work, in order to inspire you, etc.
this code is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License.
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
*/

inlets = 4;
outlets = 4;

function get_those_funky_tracks()
{
    for (t = 0 ; t < num_tracks; t++)
    {
        track_table[t] = new LiveAPI(this.patcher, "live_set tracks " + t);
		outlet(0, "append " + track_table[t].get("name"));
    }
}

function get_those_cooly_devices(track_n)
{

	num_devices = track_table[track_n].getcount("devices");

    for (d = 0 ; d < num_devices; d++)
    {
        device_table[d] = new LiveAPI(this.patcher, "live_set tracks " + track_n + " devices " + d);
        outlet(1, "append " + device_table[d].get("name"));
    }
}

function get_those_gorgeous_parameters(device_m)
{
	num_parameters = device_table[current_device].getcount("parameters");
    for (p = 0 ; p < num_parameters; p++)
    {
        parameter_table[p] = new LiveAPI(this.patcher, "live_set tracks " + current_track + " devices " + device_m + " parameters " + p);
        outlet(2, "append " + parameter_table[p].get("name"));
    }
}

function export_the_so_so_looked_for_ID(parameter_o)
{
	outlet(3, parameter_table[parameter_o].id) ;
}

function clear_all()
{
     outlet(0, "clear");
     outlet(1, "clear");
     outlet(2, "clear");
}

function track(n)
{
   outlet(1, "clear");
   outlet(2, "clear");
   current_track = n;

   get_those_cooly_devices(n);
}

function device(m)
{
   outlet(2, "clear");
   current_device = m;
   get_those_gorgeous_parameters(m);
}

function parameter(o)
{
   current_parameter = o;
   export_the_so_so_looked_for_ID(o);
}

function bang()
{
clear_all();

liveset_observer = new LiveAPI(this.patcher, "live_set");
num_tracks = liveset_observer.getcount("tracks");

current_track = 0;
current_device = 0;
current_parameter = 0;
track_table = new Array();
device_table = new Array();
parameter_table = new Array();
get_those_funky_tracks();
}

So LFO 1.6 will probably seem cleaner from your eyes.
I hope everyone will be convinced & excited to test this new implementation!




I hope we'll have better day together, but if this is not the case, we'll be happy however.
peace.

[julienb]

http://designthemedia.com/blog/2011/01/ ... ameter-max

[neuromodulator]

I just have to voice, as a member of this community, that I strongly disagree with David's suggestion that this discussion be held in private. It seems clear to me that Julien copied a bunch of Edward's free patch into a patch he was selling, and is absolutely refusing to acknowledge that he did so, and trying to frame the issue in ridiculous ways (jealousy, etc.). I absolutely want this drawn to my attention.

You know what would be the right thing to do, Julien? Acknowledge what you did and apologize to Edward. Not compare his work to "drawing a circle" and dancing around the issue.

[Random Mullets]

You owe it to the people who bought your device and to this community to explain yourself.

_________________
Unsound Designer
____________________________________________________
stringtapper | MySpace | Extension Chords | HomBru


+ 12

We need an explanation, not only a new code ....

[Random Mullets]

neuromodulator is right , the right thing to do , is stopping with that immature attitude, and presents your apologies to Edward .

[oddstep]

I agree. There was a disagreement about the provenance of patching used in a commercial device. According to one party, this patch was being distributed using a creative commons licence that prohibited commercial use without contacting the creator, according to the other party the similarities were pure coincidental.
If the patch was actually based on the cc licensed work then the appropriate course would be to apologise for the oversight and come to a financial arrangement that rewarded the holder of the intellectual property rights.
If the resemblance between the patches was purely coincidental then this should be proved through identification of key differences, or through a simulation that proves that these similarities do happen.. for example that it is possible for object ids and cable configurations to be identical.
Neither of these outcomes has occurred, the energy that could have been spent in proving that these sort of similarities do actually occur by chance has instead been used in a focussed rewrite to remove the 'famous' material.

[Random Mullets]

/*
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
this funky code has been written by me, julien bayle, a particular sunday morning,
but you can edit it, as a lot of my others work, in order to inspire you, etc.
this code is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License.
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
*/


Shame ..........

[stringtapper]

I was waiting for David's approval before posting this, but now that Julien has changed the code and I've gotten an email from him with the new device attached that includes another claim that he did not take the code I am going to go "there."

Here is the compressed code from the patcher named "m4L.targeter" that is inside of Julien Bayle's LFO Everything device (v1.5):

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</code></pre>


And here is the compressed code from the file called "emm.m4l.selected_parameter_manager" from Edward Majcher's Device LFO device:

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>


And here is a screenshot in the Finder on my computer showing both files, including the creation dates:




Let the community be the judge.

[salamanderanagram]

julien, you must explain yourself.
re-writing the code is not the point, in fact, it makes you look even more guilty of theft and lying than before. what's funny about this is, that given the original author's response, you probably could have just apologized, and said you didn't understand the license fully or that you had forgotten to remove and replace that piece of code with your own work and everything would have been fine.

but!
to repeatedly lie when we can all tell that you are lying is insulting to us and breathtaking in it's arrogance. i would never consider purchasing anything from you at this point in time - you clearly have no scruples when it comes to the truth and respecting the work of others. also, i have a feeling that this episode will be brought up again anytime you try to sell anything else to this community.

[Random Mullets]

ouch...

They looks very similar, are they twins ???

Julien is just an hypocrite and a liar .
End of the story .

[julienb]

peace.
really.

[Random Mullets]

is it a joke ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acb15JsCGSk

[neuromodulator]

No, see, that's the problem. "Peace" is a nice sentiment to call upon when it's actually a principle you hold; you know, part of being nice to others (which would also include things like, oh, say, apologizing when you're in the wrong or not taking credit for the work of other people). "Peace" isn't some blanket defence that you can call down that makes you sound like you're being the bigger person because "you're being peaceful in the face of aggression here". That's not how it works, and no one here is convinced that you're being the greater person by your weak invocation of a principle you don't apparently hold except in self-defence.

[pucklermuskau]

i find it interesting that juliens response to this is to quite rightly strip out the offending code and replace it with his own. However, in so doing, he attaches a cc-by-3.0 license, which is exactly the license he failed to follow. No one should have a problem with taking open source code and re-using it. That's all well and good. The only problem here is failing to live up to the license of the open-source code, which in this case, required that he acknowledge the person responsible through attribution. This is peace my friend, it's not war, it's people vocally standing up and telling you that what you did was not acceptable. Now man up, apologize, and move on with your life. There's really no other way to resolve this.