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 Post subject: live.remote~ once again
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:29 am 

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Hello,
I am back to and old problem I have never managed to solve. If I use the same live.remote~ to control different parameters I always have leaking problems (the value of the former controlled parameter overwrites the value of the new parameter). I have tried all kinds of gates, id 0, no success. The more I think about it the more I have the impression this could be like this by design: since live.remote~'s left inlet can receive audio rate data, there is always something there and I am just losing my time. Please tell me I am wrong :oops:
thank you
toscanini

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
574.3ocuUtsiaBCDF9Z3oXDpWltJ.AZZtq80XUDx.yFbqODgMjrc01m85CAZ
ZygRSa1KHHOdr8++WF77RXPTobOphfUviPPvKgAAtP1.AGFGDwI6qXDkKsnJ
ImiBczL+bZbu1Em+LnQkdET0PDaPP2XdZIUeEDc7RrEHhZfgjd+TO9DSRzqg
NgV1U0f0qbg6krNNZxqGYJXGkwfRDj8X6NpVihgikQEXkzrX6Yu3PvsDcUCU
ronEqzdOk9g7GlOCRRSruhyxruxLCf0GVDs1IeY4WdeZ5v1+jTnEDN5l5SsT
BC9rjUOLswQTAC0NhDezZTzu4VS7by4LlqrSOj7bavWCCs+LahD2PJylLb19
MS+7Vz6vHGHilAQkFtGM5qy.ijjENJ3YR1b2fkWfEwSjEFRP4F4YM2wl9T.Y
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Q2c+ODUYZQUWXNSiNKHZcKsrS66QFLhgfnhsXqhpL8jpvQ7442.Ec9v0p525
v5XgM9uhVkrqsZnz4vGLvOoQso8JUPzTo3nbLfAhGyogVWihisCmVuUZts6f
Df0m8u4opHaagIIo4uYRZ4DTT1aphxlfhx+GTjYvqg+.TI4TxC
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>


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 Post subject: Re: live.remote~ once again
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:54 pm 

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Posts: 1076
It could be solved by using multiple remote~ objects generated with poly~.

Here is a quick patch demonstrating the concept.

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
486.3ocwVErTCBCD8L7UjI1iUGRnkV8l9M33EmNNov1ZTRRGHLV0Q+1MI.sU
sSK0VvK.YY2j26wKa3ceO7T0RHGitBcOxy6ceOOWHa.upwdXAaYbJK2kFNVI
DfTi6W9NMrT6hemJsP.0gkEBtLEztZHUAmoj5b9afKVvEAqyUUnqStN5BlN9
Qtb9CYPrtDfjACMEgHjw1aCItAlmQSppgm3fhZ5SmSn3MVUIS3VU70YbVJ5F
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3cgtPtz4IpFL9f0kQ+ClFRqaZnggmBSSTG5YTou9IxdMCDJMXf6wqP6uqJMx
0UkDLZWcVZitpyRUFvd7MOqEDS8bgYBsz9hFbbxfAtNpA6eeiAoLS2eDdJSN
eq9jvUtYCEqQAYEJNktmBwTHqUTs8uc5.zLtb2J13CvQ4pGmxk+7WVbH0F+6
BVtpHKtFHUKFZMVSfbMWxzbkbibh9VNOxSR.4lagD7jEJCqpf.ZxV+3cJQjo
yLhzYHZTCPj8LzNTjBIMTk5NHQZBjncJjhZHh9qVIyfO7+R2n378
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

together with this "polyremote" patch/abstraction.

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
433.3oc0U1sSBCCEG+5tmhlFuDMzQ1h5c5qgwrT1NBUWaIqmgnD7Y2t1wWBQ
l.ZhWrSSOer7u+54rMOhvFZlAVF8V5CTBYdDg3c03fztmvThY4kBqOMlFd0L
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WuUEnLH7woyl9GZ3MNNoYI8lc5t133O37NglMAprRKB57f52c.0qBGKze8WL
9CRi+sIq0TWku7Jr8q0z0mkBvhRs.kF8F4jrUNikEEfdSnojESLRM1JA5i68
VtqJh2AEM3OUQIcPQo+oJJsiLhejJxsYQzm.7IFC7A
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>


Last edited by broc on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:09 pm, edited 4 times in total.

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 Post subject: Re: live.remote~ once again
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:28 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: live.remote~ once again
PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:57 pm 

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Hello broc,

I see the idea. But for some reason I cannot get my [polyremote] have its second inlet, not even if I add [inlet] objects besides the [in] objects into the abstraction.
And there is a problem I see will come up in my specific case. I'll be needing 8 live.remote~'s to be controlling a row or a column of an 8x8 grid (in a Live set's terms I'd like to control the sends of all tracks for a specific return track or the send values to all 8 return tracks from the same track). For now I cannot see how to achieve this without redundant live.remote~'s


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 Post subject: Re: live.remote~ once again
PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:16 pm 

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Your inlet problem happens because Max couldn't find the "polyremote" patch.
Remember that Max search paths are defined (and can be set) in the menu Options/File Preferences.

Regarding your specific case, here are the adjusted patches to control a matrix of 8 Tracks x 8 Sends.

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
1048.3ocyX00aZCCE8Y3WgUFOsxPwNgPXus8SXaZuTUUEHFpWSrQIFFcUc+1
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GrrMn6.2siksjWMXXYqKh3SehPm+XFdJu.ldACESBf7QxWAdxmvfAtfGJmSg
Y3ur.WLAGmMcQhUXkM4WeB55nAHZTpZzNeIiDk.9JKI1Q16ac6Jez2Pxgh+s
v1GxMfI.h3uI0RLv2Cw3eDhA4q3BOn70vwCFJ9H7XDyjH5bm9.GBkq8R0ZsT
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lZDmvnZ9OT4wiTqi7Gdf2aD85dL8Xg8GojinCruNpzQqNQNrMTbKSmfyNeBK
LT4PtmGggN8BXWuF9AZhwZRm1r.MnE30DxJ7.krrz1qhx1X5C5LkEi0EPazy
eS3i7yO5T7zWQdHWMxy3vfu6XsvPMVx3vfLFTO+66r42OSPQbb1iXZzjDrt8
xiVgieLhyyHSVxwa+u7xnPYXPxzIKwrYUMW0tt4YYwBQ+VBemNiwyZty7EXb
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adoHMeMJRy3kQ+GDMPgnAA540p7S01fE2VS34daMAVT1vRd4u.4yLbJiiAA9
WdgBmN4MpjaJDR6Hgz3g1HK8LQwghJqqNWln5zzhBs25LhwW0HT2Ceu6.hba
oiNWRhWgiNKXinie3YO3M3kRLLnkX1pKIq8uTh2ysKplu3fLz8u7ZkGHaeWt
NmsLaZEPppqFr0Ihw4bBciOb+lrNZi4IRbLlpuZNkDufIbqRL.dn1.uoPx2.
DsGruEfjXqK.zZHZjIjDzpjjGzPVxdPBtaP4HZIncwzonIeqRSglHlrbjShI
jIQNjcwDzfHGztP51RLACLQMEZ+7.mTM4ZeEt2MFlLZuWKiIS1VAYUHEXHhr
Xd.WCgz4lsT7wac+GdlMwMC
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

Using this "polyremote" patch.

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
493.3oc0VFsaaBCEF9ZySgkUuLKBaJL5ta60XpB4fOqwsX6HrSV5p5d1msgr
l1joPUAj1EAj+OmC52ebLm7TBhrxrGrD7WveGiPOkfPQof.peMhn36qa31XZ
DEXs76.xhtXNXuKpKE3zCh5sJotAbwJX8h+vncV4uffFMcY5K4Z15NjLsWcC
2UuVpuqpEpcc1K6yY9hvz7Ps3L1xb+hhko3a6qo6w3dbCzU.g72PRQzilU2+
oRxQ9QyUwjIesUxaveyzHHgnOmjDtrXfLQC+z+nOEIZb1YQBcjQRZY3FKdkV
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Hk74ajRr6pETFG76ONaRuzwWFKObq3lS5uNZ6mMtmQq1.sVo0A55N2e5QznK
7rP+1+5RbiDzeMYslss0GdE1+8Z7K6EAXcRM2IM5ixI+U4rVJDf9XnojhMFo
10aA7sm8s7PcDc.NJaVcT9.bTwr5nhAxH5r4nqGfiJmUFUNwLxu34j+.E6J1
QA
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>


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 Post subject: Re: live.remote~ once again
PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:48 pm 

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Hello broc, I cannot wait to try out your last patch. Unfortunately my inlet problem with poly~ is not solved yet. It is not because the path, the abstraction is in the path, and the name is recognized and contents shown, just not the additional inlets. If I open the patch with Runtime, the inlets are there. I have worked with poly~ objects before - not too much but still - without having problems. I am a bit clueless.
I'll do more tests tomorrow.


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 Post subject: Re: live.remote~ once again
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:04 pm 

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Ok thanks to broc's patch I have made some progress, here is a first version of an 8x8 track/send controller using 8+1 MIDI controls. To see it work throw 8 audio or MIDI instrument (because of the showing sends) tracks and 8 return tracks into a Live set. I wanted to use jit.cellblock so I ended up with a poly~ different from what broc proposed. There must be more simple and elegant solutions and I'd love to learn to patch better. This one works, although it needs some time to "warm up"
Ah, and I haven't tried to send id 0 messages to unused live.remote~'s, partly to see if it can work like this. Maybe this is the cause of the initial slowness.

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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t6.6DMejINF1EppOl9B7NAyqsbEGVYh3yFtZP6MshK9yO8+QCjpg3
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>


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 Post subject: Re: live.remote~ once again
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:22 pm 

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Glad you got it working and adapted to your needs.
Instead of storing the IDs in coll, you could also send them directly to all remote objects in poly~.
Thus the ID parameter at each value change could be omitted speeding up the operation.


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 Post subject: Re: live.remote~ once again
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:41 pm 

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With 8 faders working simultaneously I'd have a CPU rise of about 2% which seems acceptable, I wonder if sending ID0's to former selection would lower that.
And thank you for pointing out the direct ID assignment!


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 Post subject: Re: live.remote~ once again
PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:35 pm 

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Here is a version where IDs are assigned at loadbang. Unfortunately this doesn't get rid of the "warming up" problem, OTOH I have all kinds of bad initialization problems now :P

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>


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 Post subject: Re: live.remote~ once again
PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:37 pm 

Joined: Thu May 05, 2005 5:42 pm
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@broc, I tried to follow your idea of two depths of poly~, it isn't very organic (in the sense that I don't really know what I am doing :lol: ) so I wasn't really expecting it to solve anything and it doesn't. I'd really need to understand more about the initialization here. Anyway here's a version with poly~ inside of poly~

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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 Post subject: Re: live.remote~ once again
PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:33 pm 

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In the end there is some progress. The initialization time for the live.remote~s is definitely shorter.

And I am thinking of going back to my former version regarding the IDs, because I need that logic to send ID 0s. Mostly because of the visual aspect, so I can distinguish what I am controlling.


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