Why can't master tempo be controlled by Max For Live device?

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Why can't master tempo be controlled by Max For Live device?

Post by digid » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:03 pm

I have mapped "Master tempo" as the destination for the new LFO device in Live 9 (Max For Live device), but it's not working at all. Live seems to slow down to a halt, and even though the master tempo is sort of(!) changing according to the LFO, the master tempo is not reacting as I thought it would.

Why doesn't this work? Have also tried with another LFO Max For Live device, but with the same result.

Is "Master tempo" not made for this kind of live modulation?
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Re: Why can't master tempo be controlled by Max For Live device?

Post by digid » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:49 pm

Changing manually works just fine - tempo is slowing up and down as I slide the tempo up and down with the mouse.

I would therefore expect the same kind of behaviour if I modulate the master tempo with a sine curve through the LFO Max For Live object, but this is not so.

So, no - this is not the behaviour one should expect.
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Re: Why can't master tempo be controlled by Max For Live device?

Post by chapelier fou » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:59 pm

digid wrote:Changing manually works just fine - tempo is slowing up and down as I slide the tempo up and down with the mouse.

I would therefore expect the same kind of behaviour if I modulate the master tempo with a sine curve through the LFO Max For Live object, but this is not so.

So, no - this is not the behaviour one should expect.
is your lfo synced to tempo ?
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Re: Why can't master tempo be controlled by Max For Live device?

Post by synnack » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:02 pm

does it behave the same for you if the LFO is synced to tempo versus not?
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Re: Why can't master tempo be controlled by Max For Live device?

Post by yur2die4 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:04 am

What is the Amount of LFO? At 100..... That'd be insane haha

Edit: but I may have to tinker with this idea to attempt Risset beats :P

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Re: Why can't master tempo be controlled by Max For Live device?

Post by synnack » Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:02 am

If i open a blank live set, add a MIDI LFO device from the library to an empty MIDI track. Map it to global tempo, it works exactly as expected. Tempo following the sine wave. Seems to work here.
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Re: Why can't master tempo be controlled by Max For Live device?

Post by synnack » Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:19 am

Ah I see what you guys are saying now. You're right. No errors in the Max window either.
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Re: Why can't master tempo be controlled by Max For Live device?

Post by digid » Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:23 am

chapelier fou wrote:
digid wrote:Changing manually works just fine - tempo is slowing up and down as I slide the tempo up and down with the mouse.

I would therefore expect the same kind of behaviour if I modulate the master tempo with a sine curve through the LFO Max For Live object, but this is not so.

So, no - this is not the behaviour one should expect.
is your lfo synced to tempo ?
Nope, it is running on its own clock ("Freq" is active, not sync), so that shouldn't be an issue.
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Re: Why can't master tempo be controlled by Max For Live device?

Post by digid » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:50 pm

This has now been confirmed as a bug by Ableton, so hopefully they'll get a fix out soon(ish).
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Re: Why can't master tempo be controlled by Max For Live device?

Post by aekorps » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:19 pm

Was this ever fixed? Still not working with the LFO in Live 9.7

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Re: Why can't master tempo be controlled by Max For Live device?

Post by Stromkraft » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:26 pm

aekorps wrote:Was this ever fixed? Still not working with the LFO in Live 9.7
Have you tried to map the song tempo to an external MIDI parameter? Or an alternative LFO? There's also a discussion elsewhere in the forums about tempo and sync that migt be enlightening.
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