M4L Stability

Questions and discussion about building and using Max for Live devices
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Re: M4L Stability

Post by mrdelurk » Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:39 pm

Max 7 crashes less, the patch I looked at works only with Max 6... the old Max makes Live 9 limp, the new Max makes Live 8 limp...
There ought to be a handier way to extend a DAW with Java.

[Edit: And bingo, there is: http://jvstwrapper.sourceforge.net/ ]

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Re: M4L Stability

Post by Stromkraft » Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:31 pm

mrdelurk wrote:Max 7 crashes less, the patch I looked at works only with Max 6... the old Max makes Live 9 limp, the new Max makes Live 8 limp...
There ought to be a handier way to extend a DAW with Java.

[Edit: And bingo, there is: http://jvstwrapper.sourceforge.net/ ]
Actually, Max isn't Java-based nor does it rely on Java per se, though you can use Java components inside a Max Device. The (unlisted) requirements that are there are there nevertheless because of this possibility. Maybe with Max 7 at least there can be some changes to make Java optional with Max at some point. The development team are to my knowledge aware of the issues.
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Re: M4L Stability

Post by mrdelurk » Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:19 pm

Stromkraft wrote:Actually, Max isn't Java-based nor does it rely on Java per se, though you can use Java components inside a Max Device.
You are right, I see this now. Maybe I should have said, "there ought to be a handier way to extend a DAW with user code."
All I wanted was a simple way (my own) to convert a streaming DJIA Stock ticker into 44.1 khz audio for Live, and here I go, learning Eclipse Java for that. (Because it seems still more doable than dealing with this whole Max 6/7 vs Live 8/9 mess, creating some patch that again won't work with the next Max or Live...)

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Re: M4L Stability

Post by cpnet » Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:53 am

I updated to Live 9.2.3 and Max 7.0.6 (both x64), and so far it seems like the problems may be fixed!!!

I haven't done hours of testing, but a project that would reliably crash Ableton 95% of the time now seems to open without issue. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but so far, so good. :)

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Re: M4L Stability

Post by cpnet » Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:21 pm

I just ran the 9.5 Ableton update (x64) and tried to re-open my test project (the one with a few M4L devices that had been reliably crashing Ableton). For my first test, I tried to open it after the 9.5 update, but before rebooting my PC (the 9.5 update didn't say I needed a reboot). My system memory usage when up to ~32 GB (I have 32 GB of RAM) and Ableton eventually crashed. I then tried a reboot, and the test project opened fine. Next I ran the Maschine 2.4 update, tried another reboot, and tried opening the test project yet again. It worked once more.

Hopefully my initial hiccup was just a result of me not rebooting my PC after the 9.5 update before testing. So far, 9.5 looks like it's working.

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Re: M4L Stability

Post by Quez » Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:07 am

I haven't been able to use Max 7 at all, with the 9.5 update it crashed on start-up again.

I have many M4Live devices for controlling Reason in my default set.

Just tried with the new Max update, still doesn't work. Going back to 6.1 again :cry:

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Re: M4L Stability

Post by Stromkraft » Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:10 am

Quez wrote: Going back to 6.1 again :cry:
You can use 6.1.10 with Live 9.5? I'd assume not, at least if you want to use the latest pack releases.
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Re: M4L Stability

Post by kleine » Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:10 pm

Quez wrote:I haven't been able to use Max 7 at all, with the 9.5 update it crashed on start-up again.

I have many M4Live devices for controlling Reason in my default set.

Just tried with the new Max update, still doesn't work. Going back to 6.1 again :cry:
I've seen issues when having older M4L devices in a template set, so you might try to start from a blank template (hold down shift while ableton launches, i believe)

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