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Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:11 am
by salmonito
I bought Live Suite in part to get Max4Live. I cannot use Max4Live with all the crashing. How can I get a refund for Max4Live...? Yeah it's that bad.

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:29 am
by tecolo
salmonito wrote:I bought Live Suite in part to get Max4Live. I cannot use Max4Live with all the crashing. How can I get a refund for Max4Live...? Yeah it's that bad.
Same here but i don't want refund. I would like to have it. It's been great on paper and in theory. But in practice it's unstable.


Anyone else with stable win8 64 bit and m4l? Please post your findings here..

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:05 pm
by dsu
Bump

Same behavoir as most of the other folks posting, ranging from;

instantly crashes when a Max device is dragged to a track, when the Max device is the only device in the entire set,

to

a working set is saved but Live crashes when it tries to open it.


This is really getting me thinking about jumping to OSX.

Configuration:
Windows 7 SP-1 64 bit, Live 9.1.7 64 bit, Focusrite Saffire 56,
i7 2600, 8 GB Ram

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:19 pm
by Angstrom
I was watching the SonicState podcast, and they refered to M4L as "crash for Live".
That's not good, eh? 8O

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:39 pm
by BojanKerkez
salmonito wrote:Anyone else with stable win8 64 bit and m4l? Please post your findings here..
I was planning to reinstall my 64-bit Windows 7 Pro anyway, so just to see how the thing works, I've upgraded it today to Windows 10 Technical Preview Build 9926.
For the last two hours I've been trying to crash Live 9.1.7 by using dozens of Max4Live devices without any "success". And since Windows 10 is basically Windows 8.1 with some corrected features (which are at this stage quite wonky), I would say Because789 claim is correct.

There is obviously something wrong with Max4Live on Windows 7 which apparently does not manifest on newer versions of Windows. And by leaving it unfixed and not even acknowledging there is a problem for almost half a year now, Ableton AG is clearly showing just how little they care about their Windows users.

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:07 pm
by fabrice segura
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many crashs for me with max for live devices

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:11 am
by tecolo
BojanKerkez wrote:
salmonito wrote:Anyone else with stable win8 64 bit and m4l? Please post your findings here..
I was planning to reinstall my 64-bit Windows 7 Pro anyway, so just to see how the thing works, I've upgraded it today to Windows 10 Technical Preview Build 9926.
For the last two hours I've been trying to crash Live 9.1.7 by using dozens of Max4Live devices without any "success". And since Windows 10 is basically Windows 8.1 with some corrected features (which are at this stage quite wonky), I would say Because789 claim is correct.

There is obviously something wrong with Max4Live on Windows 7 which apparently does not manifest on newer versions of Windows. And by leaving it unfixed and not even acknowledging there is a problem for almost half a year now, Ableton AG is clearly showing just how little they care about their Windows users.
I'll try to install Windows 10 tech preview and will report my findings here regarding m4l stability.

Did you had any driver troubles? Do all win8.1 drivers works in win10?

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:37 pm
by BojanKerkez
tecolo wrote:Did you had any driver troubles? Do all win8.1 drivers works in win10?
The only driver I had to manually install was for my soundcard (Line6 UX2). I used the driver for 8.1. Everything else just worked with, I presume, Windows 7 drivers that were already installed.

Since I've made that post I've discovered one rather important thing - Live has to have Run as Administrator checked in its exe's properties, even if your account is already running with administrative privileges. If it's not checked, VSTs and Live's own instruments and effects load with slight, but noticeable lag.

Other than that everything runs without any issues. I haven't had any crashes with Live nor with Windows. I did have to use a registry hack to bring back the Start menu from a previous build, cause the new one was abominably slow. And the way they organised drives (especially if there are a lot of them) and Quick access links in the new File Explorer is inexplicably bad. And if it stays that way in the end, then yeah, it's still the boneheaded Microsoft we all know and despise.

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:07 am
by dsu
That is interesting about Window 10. I was on Windows 8 but my firewire attached Focusrite Luquid 56 was a complete disaster so I reverted back to Windows 7. Is it accurate to say that Windows 8.1 users are not experiencing the same M4L crash epidemic that Windows 7 user are. If it is true I think it would be a bigger bang for the buck to by a RME Fireface UC than a new Mac.

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:39 am
by tecolo
dsu wrote:That is interesting about Window 10. I was on Windows 8 but my firewire attached Focusrite Luquid 56 was a complete disaster so I reverted back to Windows 7. Is it accurate to say that Windows 8.1 users are not experiencing the same M4L crash epidemic that Windows 7 user are. If it is true I think it would be a bigger bang for the buck to by a RME Fireface UC than a new Mac.
I fo have access on test machine where we have Live 7 on win 7 64 bit. Major nightmare. In the next couple of days i will test exactly SAME setup on win 10 and will report my findings.

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:12 am
by doubleUG
Max often crashes when patching with blue screen.
Win 8.1 64 bit

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:57 pm
by BojanKerkez
In case anyone's been wondering if 9.2 will finally fix our Windows 7 woes with Max4Live, I'm sorry to say that nothing has changed. At least not with 9.2b1.

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:33 pm
by Angstrom
BojanKerkez wrote:In case anyone's been wondering if 9.2 will finally fix our Windows 7 woes with Max4Live, I'm sorry to say that nothing has changed. At least not with 9.2b1.
argh

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:42 am
by tecolo
I am testing win 10 preview for the last three days. I can say that m4live is still crashing, but there is indeed an improvement.

I have about 70%less crashes, and everything is snappier and faster. No doubt about that. However projects which crashed extensively on win 7 still crashes on win 10 but not so often. Anyway or other it's an improvement but there are a lot of things in m4l to fix and begin with...

Yesterday i just sent report to hyakken developer of famous sequencers for m4l. Most of them still works in win10 but some of them don't and m4live report various java errors and so on..

Pandora box for sure..

Re: M4L Stability

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:51 am
by dsu
Sad to note this problem is not addressed as a fix in the new 9.2 beta that was just announced.