I'll explain first the goal of the exercise, then what I've attempted:
Goal
To have each degree of a musical scale play on a separate chain. Make it so that any degree of a chromatic scale is played from a limited number of chains. For example white notes play one chain black notes play another. Another example might be play the root note C and fifth G through a different chain than every other note.
What I've done
I successfully constructed (or adapted from an existing "force to scale" Patch) a max patch which:
a) Passes all midi notes through.
b) Additionally generates notes in the bottom octave (note 0 to 11) that mirror the through notes based on a grid lookup.
The idea is the bottom octave (b) notes control the chain selector and are set to be ignored (not played) in the chains themselves.
At compose/production time, I edit the scale/chain relationship by drawing on the grid.
The max patch is working as required, but I cant seem to find a way to get these bottom octave notes to activate the chain selector. I'm happy to share the max patch.
Let me know if I haven't been clear.
Thanks for input!
Controlling chain selector with track midi
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Re: Controlling chain selector with track midi
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copy the text, open Live > drag in empty M4L device > open Max editor > paste > save M4L device
https://docs.cycling74.com/max8/vignett ... ng_patches
https://doubleUG.bandcamp.com/releases
https://docs.cycling74.com/max8/vignett ... ng_patches
https://doubleUG.bandcamp.com/releases
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DuggletonLive
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Re: Controlling chain selector with track midi
Thanks for the contribution.
My knowledge so far of Max is still basic, but it appears the patcher appears to do something with notes 0..11. I'm guessing it turns it into a signal to somehow modulate the chain selector directly.
It's a patcher rather than a Max for Live device as I have been working on, so I'm to instance this into my Max for Live patch?
I'm sorry but would you be able to point me in the direction of how to incorporate the above patcher into my device (or otherwise employ it)?
Many thanks.
My knowledge so far of Max is still basic, but it appears the patcher appears to do something with notes 0..11. I'm guessing it turns it into a signal to somehow modulate the chain selector directly.
It's a patcher rather than a Max for Live device as I have been working on, so I'm to instance this into my Max for Live patch?
I'm sorry but would you be able to point me in the direction of how to incorporate the above patcher into my device (or otherwise employ it)?
Many thanks.
Re: Controlling chain selector with track midi
the notes 0-11 are send to a macro knob. The marco knob has to be mapped to the chain selector.
copy the text, open Live > drag in empty M4L device > open Max editor > paste > save M4L device
https://docs.cycling74.com/max8/vignett ... ng_patches
https://doubleUG.bandcamp.com/releases
https://docs.cycling74.com/max8/vignett ... ng_patches
https://doubleUG.bandcamp.com/releases
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DuggletonLive
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Re: Controlling chain selector with track midi
Thanks again.
I've put the patcher in a Max4Live device I call "0oct2macro". I've put this after my grid device "NoteChainSelector". When 0oct2macro is turned on it filters out the 0 octave notes that NoteChainSelector adds to the stream as expected.
Unfortunately the macro knob is not being moved. Is it supposed to move the 1st macro knob?
Also as an aside, if I mouse over the title bar of 0oct2macro, it reports 4096samples of latency (which would be a problem).
Any hints greatly appreciated (I'm almost there!).
I've put the patcher in a Max4Live device I call "0oct2macro". I've put this after my grid device "NoteChainSelector". When 0oct2macro is turned on it filters out the 0 octave notes that NoteChainSelector adds to the stream as expected.
Unfortunately the macro knob is not being moved. Is it supposed to move the 1st macro knob?
Also as an aside, if I mouse over the title bar of 0oct2macro, it reports 4096samples of latency (which would be a problem).
Any hints greatly appreciated (I'm almost there!).
Re: Controlling chain selector with track midi
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</code></pre>
copy the text, open Live > drag in empty M4L device > open Max editor > paste > save M4L device
https://docs.cycling74.com/max8/vignett ... ng_patches
https://doubleUG.bandcamp.com/releases
https://docs.cycling74.com/max8/vignett ... ng_patches
https://doubleUG.bandcamp.com/releases
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DuggletonLive
- Posts: 44
- Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:57 am
Re: Controlling chain selector with track midi
The latest posted patcher is the same as before with helpful comments, thank you.
The latency issue was resolved by turning Driver setting to "None" (was "Live") in the devices Options/Audio Status... in the patcher window menu bar.
I see how Macro 1 to 8 is selected, as well as how the embedded device on/off toggle works.
Unfortunately the macro knob(s) do not move when it receives the appropriate midi notes.
I've mapped Macro 1 to chain select and this functions as it should. (i.e can change the chain by manually changing Macro 1)
As before, midi is generated in the bottom octave by my NoteChainSelector device. Also as before, the bottom octave is blocked when the (updated) 0oct2macro is switched on, so we know the midi connectivity is right.
So it seems the inner workings of the 0oct2macro are simply not functioning for me...
[edit]
Also, I've noticed this message in the console:
The latency issue was resolved by turning Driver setting to "None" (was "Live") in the devices Options/Audio Status... in the patcher window menu bar.
I see how Macro 1 to 8 is selected, as well as how the embedded device on/off toggle works.
Unfortunately the macro knob(s) do not move when it receives the appropriate midi notes.
I've mapped Macro 1 to chain select and this functions as it should. (i.e can change the chain by manually changing Macro 1)
As before, midi is generated in the bottom octave by my NoteChainSelector device. Also as before, the bottom octave is blocked when the (updated) 0oct2macro is switched on, so we know the midi connectivity is right.
So it seems the inner workings of the 0oct2macro are simply not functioning for me...
[edit]
Also, I've noticed this message in the console:
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live.path: Live API is not initialized, use live.thisdevice to determine when initialization is complete-
DuggletonLive
- Posts: 44
- Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:57 am
Re: Controlling chain selector with track midi
I'm trying to debug the patcher. The problem seems to be in the right hand side of the network which formulates the object path to the macro knobs.
From the reference to live.path
I'm new to this stuff and on a learning curve, but any help is really appreciated!
Here is the message input to live.path
Can anyone see how this is an invalid path?
Many thanks.
From the reference to live.path
Indeed both middle and left output do produce a printout of id 0.(navigating to a nonexistent path will result in the message id 0 being sent out the left and middle outputs rather than an error message).
I'm new to this stuff and on a learning curve, but any help is really appreciated!
Here is the message input to live.path
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path this_device canonical_parent canonical_parent parameters 1Many thanks.