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Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:20 pm
by madlab
I have to force quit both apps. This happens since I upgraded to version 9.7 and Max 7.3
Any similar cases ?
See my sig for my setup.

Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:17 pm
by madlab
Also happens with Max 7.31. I can't edit and save a device anymore. This is a drama ! Anyone else ?

Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:37 pm
by S4racen
Works fine for me, have you restarted your computer?

Cheers
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Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:44 pm
by madlab
Yes.

Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:17 pm
by AAdel
It's OK on my systems, both Win 10 and OSX El Capitan.

Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:48 am
by ShelLuser
Late response, but also on my end no issues. However, I can't help wonder if you had any issues when you first started Live 9.7? When I had just upgraded it I couldn't even start it because it would immediately crash. I ended up de-installing and re-installing Live 9 and that did the trick for me: no issues at all anymore.

Now, this is probably unrelated to your issues, but I cannot help wonder. If you encounter more oddities with Live 9 then my advice would be to seriously consider a clean re-installation. Just the software of course, you don't have to mess with your user settings and such.

Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:06 am
by madlab
Thanks Shelluser, but Live 9.7 seems to work reliably as long as I don't want to edti some M4L device... Oh and btw, you had a fantastic ressource page about the LOM years ago. I wanted to point some of my students to it but can't find it anymore. Do you still have it ?

Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:00 pm
by AAdel
You can try reinstalling M4L

Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:22 am
by ShelLuser
madlab wrote:Thanks Shelluser, but Live 9.7 seems to work reliably as long as I don't want to edti some M4L device...
Bizarre, can't come up with a logical explanation.

Do you also own a Max 7 license or only M4l? I'd try to see how Max 7 behaves stand alone, so simply start it, see if you can make a crude patch and then quit it (you can't save anyway while in trial mode). If that behaves normally then it could hint at a specific Live issue and not so much Max.
madlab wrote:Oh and btw, you had a fantastic ressource page about the LOM years ago. I wanted to point some of my students to it but can't find it anymore. Do you still have it ?
Yeah, my website is still alive but I merged it with my main hobby site, and it's also a little less maintained due to time restraints. I think you're referring to this page? Basically the one which explained the LOM.Navigator (which is also in dire need of a rehaul)?

My signature also contains the new/current URL of the SynthFan website.

Hope this helps, if you were referring to another page please let me know.

Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:38 pm
by madlab
The patch, apart from the mapping API part, works perfectly with 1% CPU usage in Max standalone, so this is on li've's part it seems.

Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:19 pm
by Angstrom
I had the old "Trial not started" issue again this week.
I reinstalled Max, and it still persisted, I re-authorised my Live license, and it still persisted through a reboot, and some Live restarts.
Then it fixed itself.

this happens once every two months or so.

Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:34 pm
by Angstrom
OMFG, it's done it again.

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Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:37 pm
by madlab
could it be that it's java related ? The last device I tried to save without success is a mapping bpatcher containing some java stuff. But the [plugsync~] device that failed once to save was not...

Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:50 pm
by Angstrom
I don't use java.
I do almost everything in Javascript, but .. obviously, that's only related in name.

#edit 1---

In 9.7 one thing I've noticed when this M4L auth failure happens : When I reopen Live it shows the "Welcome to Live 9 - What's new & Lessons" pane. As if this is my first run. So that's odd too.

#edit 2---

I reauthorised Ableton Live via I choose Live 9 https://www.ableton.com/en/account/authorize/ it shows the correct path for my Live application. So, I authorise that (yet again) and the Live application reports "Opening A different version of Live, do you want to save this set". But ... there is no different version of Live. There is only one version, the version at that path, which I am re-authorising. So what is it trying to open? That application is already open.

Current Status for Today: M4L is saving files.
Status for tomorrow : undetermined. Probably broken again, like yesterday and today.

Opinion: This software pairing does not feel robust and tightly integrated. quite the opposite.

Re: Live and Max stuck when saving a device

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:46 pm
by stringtapper
Angstrom wrote:Opinion: This software pairing does not feel robust and tightly integrated. quite the opposite.
Probably the one thing you and I completely agree on when it comes to M4L. The whole pairing of two separate apps with a bit of code that lets them talk to each other has always seemed a bit clunky to me. Of course integrating a special version of Max within Live's codebase might be monumental task and could even require a ground-up rewrite of Live.

But that's exactly what I expected when M4L was first announced and I still think it could be an amazing step if they decided to re-engineer the entire M4L environment so that it is native to Live and not dependent on installing the standalone Max app.