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 Post subject: Call for Max device: Musinum
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:16 pm 

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About 25 years ago I ran into this mathematician who told me a lot of super interesting stuff about sound and music. His name was Lars Kindermann, and one of his inventions was a litttle windows program called Musinum that made fractal melodies that played on your windows pc.

I experimented quite a bit with the program and created lots of weird little tracks, recorded them, and now most of them are lost on unlabelled cassette tapes.

This is what the program did: It basically counted from one to eternity and each number gets represented in binary, then you take the sum of the binary digits and trigger a correlating note. He explains it even better here https://reglos.de/musinum/

Code:
     decimal  binary  sum of
     number   number  digits    Tone    2nd 4th   
   1       1       1       c
   2       10      1       c       c   
   3       11      2       d       .
   4       100     1       c       c   c
   5       101     2       d       .   .
   6       110     2       d       d   .
   7       111     3       e       .   .
   8       1000    1       c       c   c
   9       1001    2       d       .   .
   10      1010    2       d       d   .
   11      1011    3       e       .   .
   12      1100    2       d       d   d
   13      1101    3       e       .   .
   14      1110    3       e       e   .
   15      1111    4       f       .   .
   16      10000   1       c       c   c
   ...     ...     ...     ...     ... ...


So, my question: Is there someone out here who would give it a tray and program a max device that does exactly what musinum did?


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 Post subject: Re: Call for Max device: Musinum
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:10 pm 

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I’m interested ! This is the sort of stuff I do with monome Teletype eurorack module. I’ll have a look.

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 Post subject: Re: Call for Max device: Musinum
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:01 am 

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chapelier fou wrote:
I’m interested ! This is the sort of stuff I do with monome Teletype eurorack module. I’ll have a look.


Oh, what an honour, Monsieur Fou! Thanks for being interested.

Herei s a track I made with musinum in 1999 using the synth on the soundblaster soundcard on a windows pc:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bf3007lbqi14y ... D.aif?dl=0


Send me a pm if you want to discuss details. :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Call for Max device: Musinum
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:18 pm 

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Cool sounds ! Thanks for sharing.

What would be the rule for the timing/length of notes ?
The algorithm seems quite easy to code in Max (even if it would be more meaningful in "real" code).

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 Post subject: Re: Call for Max device: Musinum
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:28 pm 

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This would be the counter core :

<pre><code>
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g3dYMmXyby5i7D6lGhCYHamKn3oCEP1aP7xnY8cLO974ejTdY3r6.IHK96E8
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MzqAxtYWnsY+WNG2yjtQbX6u19uvlAwpU
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

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 Post subject: Re: Call for Max device: Musinum
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:20 am 

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interesting.

Did you see the image of the original program UI?

Image


There is a setting for "speed" - which lets you select the note length.

Have you been able to run the program on a computer?

Also, see this part of his description "Beside playing this basic sequence, there are many possibilities to experiment around. Interesting effects are generated when the computer does not count simply 1,2,3... but is calculating different 1x1's. For example 3, 6, 9, 12... or the multiples of 5. Very interesting are the multiples of powers of two minus or plus one, the baroque integers! Completely different melodies are generated! To hear what happens if we leave the binary system behind and write down these numbers in ternary, hexadecimal, our well known decimal-system or do other transformations, download the windows program!"

So in the interface you have more settings, which are "Step", "Base" and "Start". If I remember right they will be variables a multiplicator and an addition or subtraction.


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 Post subject: Re: Call for Max device: Musinum
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:23 am 

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Nice project !

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 Post subject: Re: Call for Max device: Musinum
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:07 am 

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Ok, so different voices, each with a constant and selectable speed.

Different ways to count, per voice :
- Step : a step of would would count 1, 2, 3, 4..... a step of 3 would count 1, 4, 7, 10....
- Base : np clue what it does.
- Start : starting point for the counter.
- Modulo : a way to make the counter loop.

Am I correct ?

I am on a Mac and no way to test on Windows so it's hard to really get how it should work.

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 Post subject: Re: Call for Max device: Musinum
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:26 pm 

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Hi Monsieur Fou,

Hm, I need to see where I possibly could install this. I am on a mac as well :-)

OK, I think you have it right with your explanation:

- Step : a step of would would count 1, 2, 3, 4..... a step of 3 would count 1, 4, 7, 10....
- Base : np clue what it does.
- Start : starting point for the counter.
- Modulo : a way to make the counter loop.


And Base - I believe this is a number that gets added/subtracted to the step.


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