creating simple haas effect

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petterdass
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creating simple haas effect

Post by petterdass » Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:04 pm

Hi,

How do I delay one channel of , say Operator ?
Using simple delay I also get a 1ms delay on the channel I want in real time.


Cheers

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Post by 4.33 » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:05 pm

are you able to notice that 1ms? :lol:

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Post by thoffir » Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:24 pm

1. show "i/o" and "tracks delays" sections
2. change "audio to" on operator to "sends only"
3. make a two new audio tracks, pan one max to left and second max to right
4. change "audio from" on both to operator
5. change "delay" on one of the new tracks to 1 ms (not sure if it will work as you
want so use delay f/x on that track instead)

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Post by Angstrom » Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:01 pm

make yourself a simple re-usable drop-in Haas effect
  • make a rack
  • make two chains, one called "dry" one called "delayed"
  • in the one called "delayed" drop in a simple delay,
  • Simple Delay: make sure its 100% wet. Link both sides and switch the delay speed to manual ("time").
  • Assign the delay speed to a macro and set a short range 1ms - 15ms
  • pan the rack chains - Dry hard Left , Delayed hard Right
all this is doing is avoiding the issue of the 1ms delay on your 'dry' side, but making a rack chain for each stereo channel. The dry side (obviously) has no delay.

If you want it to sound like an actual pan, add an EQ8 onto the 'Delayed' chain, use one band set on "high shelf" , -10db gain and a Q of about 3. Now map the frequency to the same macro you used for the delay speed. Set the range so that when the delay is at 1ms the EQ is at 22khz , and when the delay is at 15ms the EQ is at 350hz.

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Post by tedpallas » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:22 pm

And here I am, thinking your tip was going to be "put one speaker farther away from your ears than the other..."

That said, Haas is most effectively, in my experience, thought of in terms of feet, not milliseconds. If memory serves, 20ms = 22 ft, which would mean one instance of Operator is "behind" the other.

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Post by petterdass » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:47 pm

Angstrom wrote:make yourself a simple re-usable drop-in Haas effect
  • make a rack
  • make two chains, one called "dry" one called "delayed"
  • in the one called "delayed" drop in a simple delay,
  • Simple Delay: make sure its 100% wet. Link both sides and switch the delay speed to manual ("time").
  • Assign the delay speed to a macro and set a short range 1ms - 15ms
  • pan the rack chains - Dry hard Left , Delayed hard Right
all this is doing is avoiding the issue of the 1ms delay on your 'dry' side, but making a rack chain for each stereo channel. The dry side (obviously) has no delay.

If you want it to sound like an actual pan, add an EQ8 onto the 'Delayed' chain, use one band set on "high shelf" , -10db gain and a Q of about 3. Now map the frequency to the same macro you used for the delay speed. Set the range so that when the delay is at 1ms the EQ is at 22khz , and when the delay is at 15ms the EQ is at 350hz.
I did not know about the chain feature :)

Thanks

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