APC 40 FAQs, features and questions

mouka · Post by **mouka** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:42 am

Just a quick question to Aussies on the board...have you gotten your APC yet? Does anyone know when they'll land down under?
Mine's on the pre order but suppliers aren't sure when its 'getting' here...

jonjonfunkphenomenon · Post by **jonjonfunkphenomenon** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:24 am

what ableton akai lite version no mp3 support?

jonjonfunkphenomenon · Post by **jonjonfunkphenomenon** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:31 am

i so want to fork out the cash (GC CC) to get 8....wish they had a coupon for buy one get 100 off ableton full deal.

IP · Post by IP » Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:18 am

sacredgeometry wrote:
IP wrote:Question for Jesse: Any chance for a "rotary" version in the future? 8 endless encoders instead of 8 faders

if no..

Request: A "rotary" version of APC40. (8 endless encoders instead of 8 faders)

a. many people prefer rotary versions against faders, from the old classic mixer days
b. even more people hate hate hate (i mean really hate) the pickup mode!
you are joking right? secondly pickup would have to be used regardless of pots or faders so your 2nd point is a little irrelivant.

im not joking! about pickup mode what is the point to use it if you have endless pots that gets updated automatically? (im i losing something here?)

Thinktanx wrote:
sacredgeometry wrote:
IP wrote:Question for Jesse: Any chance for a "rotary" version in the future? 8 endless encoders instead of 8 faders

if no..

Request: A "rotary" version of APC40. (8 endless encoders instead of 8 faders)

a. many people prefer rotary versions against faders, from the old classic mixer days
b. even more people hate hate hate (i mean really hate) the pickup mode!

you are joking right? secondly pickup would have to be used regardless of pots or faders so your 2nd point is a little irrelivant.
Seems an odd one to me too. Why would I want endless encoders to control volume??

Because there is not only fader philosophy out there.
some people work with and prefer rotaries for years now.

As or "endless" i cant find anything against them.
Great for devices with many banks.
You dont losing values by going up/down in order to find the "pickup point" as it updates automatically every time you switch to an other bank.

Or to explain even batter ... think about the APC 16 pots with simple pots against endless encoders!

back to rotaries... here are some classics models!!

Jordan Vesteyo · Post by **Jordan Vesteyo** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:54 am

Rotary pots would be cool, although there is very little room for the knobs on the APC40. Unfortunately the faders are the only real practical solution.

Don't forget the Urei 1620, I love playing on those and started on them 20 years ago.... my fave by far being the Rane MP2016 with the XP2016 eq/crossfader box, that is a delicious combo.

JV

Thinktanx · Post by **Thinktanx** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:27 am

IP wrote:
sacredgeometry wrote: Because there is not only fader philosophy out there.
some people work with and prefer rotaries for years now.

As or "endless" i cant find anything against them.
Great for devices with many banks.
You dont losing values by going up/down in order to find the "pickup point" as it updates automatically every time you switch to an other bank.

Or to explain even batter ... think about the APC 16 pots with simple pots against endless encoders!

No, I understand well using pots, but endless encoders are, imo, a bit dangerous when dealing with volume. They would also mean that you would be further tethered to the screen. That is all.

IP · Post by IP » Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:14 am

why? endless encoders will not give "endless" volume to make it dangerous!

Personally im afraid of pickup mode because im always moving the faders some millimeters more in order to takeover fast ...

Also when i had my volumes controlled by an edirol pcr with pickup mode i used to look at the screen all the time (for a carefully pickup) ..
and after i started to control my volumes with a bcr2000 i never looked at the screen again (for that reason) !!

but any away this is about personal opinion.

the point is ...
id like to see a rotary (endless) version of APC-40 (or APC-400 ;p )

Thinktanx · Post by **Thinktanx** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:05 am

IP wrote:why? endless encoders will not give "endless" volume to make it dangerous!

No, it's because there is no frame of reference, obviously. Of course, it's easy enough to set your max levels in map mode, I'm just saying...

IP · Post by IP » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:45 am

Here is my suggestion

It could be an endless knob for setting up the volume and a vertical light bar (instead of a rounded) for displaying the volume amount (i mean the fader position )!!

Thinktanx · Post by **Thinktanx** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:47 am

Haha!

Fair dues! I like it.

Belkin · Post by **Belkin** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:29 pm

maybe in next version of apc faders will be motorized

tweekskratch · Post by **tweekskratch** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:36 pm

jonjonfunkphenomenon wrote:i so want to fork out the cash (GC CC) to get 8....wish they had a coupon for buy one get 100 off ableton full deal.

I agree! Selling limited versions of the software is really annoying. Just send us a coupon with it.

djlegere · Post by **djlegere** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:40 pm

tweekskratch wrote:
jonjonfunkphenomenon wrote:i so want to fork out the cash (GC CC) to get 8....wish they had a coupon for buy one get 100 off ableton full deal.
I agree! Selling limited versions of the software is really annoying. Just send us a coupon with it.

Upgrading from the software provided is much cheaper than buying 8 outright...what more do you want?

tweekskratch · Post by **tweekskratch** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:17 pm

djlegere wrote:
tweekskratch wrote:
jonjonfunkphenomenon wrote:i so want to fork out the cash (GC CC) to get 8....wish they had a coupon for buy one get 100 off ableton full deal.
I agree! Selling limited versions of the software is really annoying. Just send us a coupon with it.
Upgrading from the software provided is much cheaper than buying 8 outright...what more do you want?

ya that's true.

feyshay · Post by **feyshay** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:20 pm

This unit is really great. I was amazed at how seamlessly things went in using it.
1) I was very surprised that there seems to be an automap function for VST plug-ins. I was not expecting that. Problem is--how do you know what the 8 knobs are controlling before moving the knobs. (The same issue exists with Live plug-ins.) For example, when moving knob 3, I don't want to reset the threshhold of a VST compressor plug-in, when I am actually trying to change ratio. Can anybody tell me that?
2) Groups do not work with the APC 40. It seems that you have to go without groups for the tracks to be counted properly as you Shift-scroll across the tracks.
3) It did stop working in the midst of a project last night. Of course, the project had about 60 scenes and about 40-50 tracks. Could the unit have been overwhelmed or was the APC 40 sensing that I was overwhelmed in managing all those parts?
4) I never got the light show. I want to see it.

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