"Solid" BPM setter

[Tyrexionibus]

Hello!

I'm currently using a slider (in my UC-33E MIDI controller) to set the BPM in Live (MIDI-mapped).

Does a "solid" device (a knob, or better a keyboard with numbers) that sets the session's BPM instead of sliding a button up and down EXIST?

Thanks in advance!

[mrideas]

What's your problem with the midi fader? Not enough control? Are you limiting the 'range' of BPM the fader works in. After you've midi mapped it, make sure you adjust it's min and max values to suit the style of music u intend to play.

[Tyrexionibus]

What's your problem with the midi fader? Not enough control? Are you limiting the 'range' of BPM the fader works in. After you've midi mapped it, make sure you adjust it's min and max values to suit the style of music u intend to play.

The BPM range is from 60.00 to 200.00, and that's enough for my 110 - 166 BPM music

Mine is not a bug or a real problem, it's just a "cosmetic glitch".

What I want to say is: the fader is very sensitive, 1 millimeter varies from 150 to 151, and sometimes it comes back and forth without my control.

Having a keyboard with numbers to set the BPM would be very very better.

Or maybe a knob, when - instead of pulling a fader up and down, I just have to turn it left or right.

Or similar solutions...

Does such a device exist?

POST SCRIPTUM: see the KORG "ZERO4" and its BPM panel. That's what I intend!

POST POST SCRIPTUM: I have the UC-33E and its keyboard. Can I use it to set the BPM?

[nezzyidy]

If you want a knob just map any unused knob on your uc33e to control tempo.
If it's too sensitive then decrease the value range. Set it to 110-166 if you like
for the most "room" in your fader pass.
Must the device show the numbers? Why not look on your computer screen?

[Tyrexionibus]

If you want a knob just map any unused knob on your uc33e to control tempo.
If it's too sensitive then decrease the value range. Set it to 110-166 if you like
for the most "room" in your fader pass.
Must the device show the numbers? Why not look on your computer screen?

The main issue with the fader is that it does NOT set "round" values (for example, 100 to 101, 101 to 102 and so on) but some strange and irregular BPM like 110.12, 113.14 ... when it'd be better with 110.00 - 111.00 - 112.00 etc

Any solutions for this?

[yur2die4]

What I'm trying to imagine is a range that is 127 bpm apart.

This way each notch would be an entire bpm.

The next thing that would be helpful with the UC-33, but I am not finding anywhere is an incremental +/- Control Change option for perhaps your buttons. No dice there either..

Last option (although a bit annoying) would be having Scenes with your favorite bpms on them that do not stop or start clips on any of the channels. But that means clutter!

[nezzyidy]

There is a solution. The tempo box has two halves in midi mode separated by the decimal point.

The left side moves by whole numbers, the right side is by smaller increments.

[siliconarc]

here's a clever solution for using 2 buttons from forum user NPC...

on your controller editor, set the two buttons to the same cc# (say cc#30);
their behaviour to momentary;
the bpm increment button gets On Value:1 Off Value: 0
the bpm decrement button gets On Value:0 Off Value:127
then in live's midi map mode map this cc to tempo control
set the range of the tempo to 30-286 (i know its a lot but it is necessary to have variations of 1bpm. if you can settle down to 0.5 bpm increments then you can set this to say 60-188)
set the mode (in the lower left of live gui) to "relative-lin 2's comp"
..et voilà! bpm + & - buttons!
hope it helps..cheers

this works great, except that he made an error with the tempo range, as it needs to be 128 total, so set it from say 64 to 192 etc

EDIT: nope, i'm wrong. 30-286 is correct.

[Tyrexionibus]

here's a clever solution for using 2 buttons from forum user NPC...

on your controller editor, set the two buttons to the same cc# (say cc#30);
their behaviour to momentary;
the bpm increment button gets On Value:1 Off Value: 0
the bpm decrement button gets On Value:0 Off Value:127
then in live's midi map mode map this cc to tempo control
set the range of the tempo to 30-286 (i know its a lot but it is necessary to have variations of 1bpm. if you can settle down to 0.5 bpm increments then you can set this to say 60-188)
set the mode (in the lower left of live gui) to "relative-lin 2's comp"
..et voilà! bpm + & - buttons!
hope it helps..cheers

this works great, except that he made an error with the tempo range, as it needs to be 128 total, so set it from say 64 to 192 etc

Can you please explain the whole strategy better ?

In ENIGMA (UC-33E's editor) I want to set the first (F1) fader to round values. That means increase by +1 and decrease by -1 , with no middle non-round values accepted.

How do I do this ?

The options are:

MIDI CC: ?

Parameter: ?

MSB: ?

LSB: ?

Program: ?

Thanks!

[siliconarc]

i was talking about using 2 buttons. for a fader, just set the tempo's mix|max range in midi map mode to something like 30|157

[NPC]

haha i'm honoured for having been helpful...

[nezzyidy]

In ENIGMA (UC-33E's editor) I want to set the first (F1) fader to round values. That means increase by +1 and decrease by -1 , with no middle non-round values accepted.

How do I do this ?

If you assign the fader to the left half of the global tempo box it will only scroll through whole numbers.
(am I understanding your question?)

[transology]

Thank you so much NPC !!

I'll try it tomorrow with my Alesis controlpad. It's the most "out of nowhere" thing I've seen so far I don't how you got there, but if it works good, that's gonna be LEGENDARY. No kidding. Hope drummers out there realize the power of this thing !!

Thanks to "zalo" for having direct me on this thread.

I was trying to figure out how to do what "NPC" says, and I found another venue which sound promising B-Keeper. http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... 8#p1039478

Have fun guys

haha i'm honoured for having been helpful...