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best small EQ plug to use?

Post by drb » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:12 am

For mixdown, I'd like to add a small EQ to each channel that has 2-3 chanels of EQ, like a mixer has.

Any suggestion for a light weight EQ like that I can put on a bunch of channels?

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Re: best small EQ plug to use?

Post by Da hand » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:23 am

EQ8

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Re: best small EQ plug to use? or what Q for emualation?

Post by drb » Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:47 pm

Da hand wrote:EQ8

Was hoping for a VST that emulated the EQ on classic mixers. Maybe a Mackie EQ, a trident, etc.

I can use EQ8, but not sure what freqs and Q it takes to get similar response.
Mackie seems to use 80hz and 12khz, but the Q isn't easy to find.

.71 is Ableton Live default, and I'd imagine not at all whats used on classic mixers.

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Re: best small EQ plug to use?

Post by arafel » Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:44 pm

Try the eq3 - similar to a 3 channel... will take some research to find out the exact Freq points (that you can adjust, of the mixer eq's you want to simulate. Google is your friend there.

eq3 will color the sound a bit.. but then that might be a good thing if you like it.. take a good listen.
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Re: best small EQ plug to use?

Post by drb » Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:44 pm

EQ3 is a poor choice.
There is no adjustment of bandwidth on the eq3 and with +6 and down -60+db it's nothing like a multichannel hardware mixer would have.
The EQ8 is much closer, but not perfect.

I'm surprised no one on makes an emulation of the channel EQs on a Mackie 1604 or whatever.

80hz +/- 15db
12khz +/- 15db
mid parametric from 100 to 8khz +/- 15db

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Re: best small EQ plug to use?

Post by drb » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:29 pm

levimoniz wrote:Why would you wanna use a dj-style eq to mix anyway? Respectfully, if you think this is the way to go I'd strongly recommend thinking it over... a lot
These are not Dj mixer EQs I'm asking about.
These are EQs from legacy hardware studio mixers.

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Re: best small EQ plug to use?

Post by hwelsh » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:44 pm

EQ 8 is the way to go. lightweight and you can make it sound like anything.

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Re: best small EQ plug to use?

Post by drb » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:06 pm

hwelsh wrote:EQ 8 is the way to go. lightweight and you can make it sound like anything.
I still would need to know the bandwidth (Ableton Live calls it Q) needed to reproduce a Mackie eq.
But, knowing the frequencies isn't enough. Hardware eq also has characteristics like distortion, phase shifting, that won't simply be reproduced by an eq8.

eq8 will never sound "just like" anything, but an eq8.

I wish someone made a true emulation, but I guess they don't unless it's a fancy high end strip.

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Re: best small EQ plug to use?

Post by Pitch Black » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:13 pm

If you have a Mackie or whatever lying around, you could always send some white noise thru it into Live, put a Spectrum plug on the input channel, manipulate the Mackie EQ and have a look at the results. Then re-create similar visual curves on the Spectrum with an EQ8.

Quick 'n' dirty but it might work. Don't forget the high quality option in EQ8, too.

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Re: best small EQ plug to use?

Post by drb » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:29 pm

Pitch Black wrote:If you have a Mackie or whatever lying around, you could always send some white noise thru it into Live, put a Spectrum plug on the input channel, manipulate the Mackie EQ and have a look at the results. Then re-create similar visual curves on the Spectrum with an EQ8.

Quick 'n' dirty but it might work. Don't forget the high quality option in EQ8, too.

Clever idea!

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Re: best small EQ plug to use?

Post by Todd OMG » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:40 am

Pitch Black wrote:If you have a Mackie or whatever lying around, you could always send some white noise thru it into Live, put a Spectrum plug on the input channel, manipulate the Mackie EQ and have a look at the results. Then re-create similar visual curves on the Spectrum with an EQ8.

Quick 'n' dirty but it might work. Don't forget the high quality option in EQ8, too.
if you are trying to emulate a vintage eq you will need to turn the high quality option OFF most likely. some guy emulated the waves ssl eq perfectly (with analog mode on ssl turned on!) just by using abletons saturator and eq8, he found that he couldn't do it with hi-quality on because that forces a second pass (oversampling) to occur and was simply too clean!

to the original post, i believe URS makes a great eq for this very purpose!

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Re: best small EQ plug to use?

Post by Tarekith » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:43 am

Pitch Black wrote:If you have a Mackie or whatever lying around, you could always send some white noise thru it into Live, put a Spectrum plug on the input channel, manipulate the Mackie EQ and have a look at the results. Then re-create similar visual curves on the Spectrum with an EQ8.

Quick 'n' dirty but it might work. Don't forget the high quality option in EQ8, too.
This is how I modelled the Xone62 eqs for my EQ3.8 rack.

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Re: best small EQ plug to use?

Post by drb » Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:44 am

Is there some source of white noise in Ableton Live?

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Re: best small EQ plug to use?

Post by Pitch Black » Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:47 am

googling "white noise wav" found this: http://www.burninwave.com/#whitenoise

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Re: best small EQ plug to use?

Post by ill-legal? » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:29 pm

Tarekith wrote:
Pitch Black wrote:If you have a Mackie or whatever lying around, you could always send some white noise thru it into Live, put a Spectrum plug on the input channel, manipulate the Mackie EQ and have a look at the results. Then re-create similar visual curves on the Spectrum with an EQ8.

Quick 'n' dirty but it might work. Don't forget the high quality option in EQ8, too.
This is how I modelled the Xone62 eqs for my EQ3.8 rack.
Any chance that I could convince, beg, or bribe you to do this for my Rane Empath EQ? ;)

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