Help: How to convert acapella into robotic vocals

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Help: How to convert acapella into robotic vocals

Post by Loopscious » Tue May 13, 2014 3:11 am

Hey!

Can anyone share any tips on how to convert an acapella (either short, or better yet - full length song) into robotic vocals?

Note: after decades of playing electronic music, I've *still* never been able to make a vocoder sound good / clear. Yes, I've followed all the tutorials etc., tried countless times, and while I'm a bit dim, I'm not that dim. It's just something that's eluded me.

So if you're going to say "use a vocoder" please explain "for dummies" like me.

thanks!
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Re: Help: How to convert acapella into robotic vocals

Post by re:dream » Tue May 13, 2014 4:14 am

It would help to know what's wrong with your results. Post it up on soundcloud? You will get much more focused advice.

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Re: Help: How to convert acapella into robotic vocals

Post by Loopscious » Tue May 13, 2014 12:55 pm

re:dream wrote:It would help to know what's wrong with your results. Post it up on soundcloud? You will get much more focused advice.
Hmm... don't really use soundcloud. Here's the general technique:

I'll use a saw and maybe mix in a little noise as the carrier, a sample or my voice as the modulator. I may compress both before and after the vocoder to tighten it up. I may use 20+ bands (I'll start low and go as high as possible). The end result is still always the same - lack of clarity. It sounds muddy unto itself, can't really tell the words apart too well, and it also sounds muddy in the mix.

I did see perhaps the best explanation on how vocoders work here:

http://youtu.be/gru_8U0yltI

I do understand that the carrier and modulator should have similar ranges, that a richer carrier will work best. Wouldn't a saw or hypersaw do that, especially if you mix in noise?
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Re: Help: How to convert acapella into robotic vocals

Post by yur2die4 » Tue May 13, 2014 5:34 pm

Have you tried different octaves? Also perhaps fiddling with bandwidth and choosing the ideal highest and lowest frequencies for your given material.

Compression can help, as long as your material also retains some strong dynamic material. No major peaks, but syllables and spacing.

Instead of following tutorials that tell you over and over how to get a certain sound, try experimenting with breaking the rules. After enough damage, going against the grain with the application of your ideas, you'll know how to come back into the safety zone.

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Re: Help: How to convert acapella into robotic vocals

Post by memes_33 » Tue May 13, 2014 7:11 pm

also play with ring modulators. maybe try putting an LFO square wave modulating volume or some other parameters. octaves are great to get an unnatural sound.
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Re: Help: How to convert acapella into robotic vocals

Post by Tagor » Wed May 14, 2014 1:27 am

redux, vocoder or even the mouth
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Re: Help: How to convert acapella into robotic vocals

Post by memes_33 » Wed May 14, 2014 3:46 pm

thought of another one- if you use simpler or sampler, you can put a slow envelope on the sample start time
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Re: Help: How to convert acapella into robotic vocals

Post by Mr Mowgli » Wed May 28, 2014 2:01 pm

Have you tried the Glitch plugin http://illformed.org/plugins/

This is pretty cool for twisting accapelas...
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