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WildWillyBill
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Effects Bus BEFORE Individual Track Effects

Post by WildWillyBill » Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:49 am

Hi all,

How can you do Returns before the tracks' effects rack? Or something similar.

I have a CPU-intensive effect that I need to use for all 10 vocal tracks BEFORE each individual track's own effects. I'd like to do this without inserting that CPU-intensive effect 10 times. Which is easy with a Return or Group except then I can't do individual effects for each track AFTER.

.....Is this not possible because once you bus multiple tracks to an effect, it mixes the audio together?

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Re: Effects Bus BEFORE Individual Track Effects

Post by ecuk » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:24 pm

WildWillyBill wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:49 am
.....Is this not possible because once you bus multiple tracks to an effect, it mixes the audio together?
Correct. What makes an effect on a return or group track less CPU-intensive is that it needs to do what it does only once for the summed signal, not once for each contributing track. There is no way (that I know of) to separate them again.
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Re: Effects Bus BEFORE Individual Track Effects

Post by [jur] » Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:31 pm

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Re: Effects Bus BEFORE Individual Track Effects

Post by pottering » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:51 pm

Besides the stuff M4L allows, (there is Audio Routes from cycling74 too):

You can set the Sends to be Pre-FX, there are toggles in the Master Track in Session and in the Return Tracks in Arrangement. [EDIT: This is wrong]

You can group tracks individually, then you can use the Sends in the track to send to Return Tracks, and put the FX in the group for individual FX.

You can use Sidechain Listen in Gate or Compressor to route audio from any routing point (track's outputs, Audio FX Racks and Chains in Racks, remember you can group any FX into a Rack individually, and put Audio FX Racks into the Instrument Racks).
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Re: Effects Bus BEFORE Individual Track Effects

Post by [jur] » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:06 pm

pottering wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:51 pm
You can set the Sends to be Pre-FX, there are toggles in the Master Track in Session and in the Return Tracks in Arrangement.
This is pre-fader, not pre-fx.
But your other suggestions are valid techniques.
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Re: Effects Bus BEFORE Individual Track Effects

Post by pottering » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:08 pm

Oh yeah, thanks for the correction.

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