Samples on seperate keys?

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:35 pm

I'd like to do some negativeland type vocal manipulations, basically take a conversation between two people, rearrange the words in the fly and come up with new conversations.

I can do this by putting each word in a different clip and launching clips from the keyboard but my actions aren't recorded in midi.

Simpler isn't configurable enough to assign one note per simpler with no pitch shifting, maybe a midi filter in front of simpler?

I'd prefer to do this in Ableton without other plugins due to the number of phrases I'd like at my fingertips at any given time.

ben_blue · Post by **ben_blue** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:06 am

the actions arent recorded in midi, but they are recorded onto that audio track as quantized audio events. its almost the same.

and u can easily consolidate those into larger pieces.
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Michael-SW · Post by **Michael-SW** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:26 pm

It is certainly possible to do it that way, but I belive it will be very much easier to do with any sampler plug in that allows multisampling. Just put each sample on a different key on you keyboard. A free sampler like Paax would probably do the trick:

http://www.kotkasuniverse.com/paax_index.htm

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:32 pm

How many phrases would you need? If it's less than 9 I'd use the Impulse, if it's 9-16 I'd use two

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:58 pm

Machinate - you have the smartest solutions!

Cheers,
Mikael

ps. If it's 17-24 phrases - I'd use three Impulses. Or maybe one Shortcircuit Free.

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:08 pm

thanks for the replies.

I don't have Ableton with me now (at work) but if I remember right I couldn't get Simpler to behave so that each simpler responds to a different note and only that one note.

Then there's the pitch shifting (each simpler is on a different note, ie not on C where the pitch is unaffected) but that can be adjusted in Simpler.

I like recording my creativity in MIDI, less disk space on LOOONG recordings and it's more flexible during production.

How many samples? thousands muahuahuahuauha

I do have sampler plug-ins but I want to keep the CPU usage low as possible so the rest of the track can run.

Winterpark · Post by **Winterpark** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:25 pm

if there are loads of samples, then make them into seperate clips... do whatever pitch-shifting you wanna do before hand... (you could do mulitiple versions of each clip with different pitches etc...), and then assign midi notes or cc messages to launch each clip... then trigger away!

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:25 am

DeadlyKungFu wrote:thanks for the replies.

I don't have Ableton with me now (at work) but if I remember right I couldn't get Simpler to behave so that each simpler responds to a different note and only that one note.

Then there's the pitch shifting (each simpler is on a different note, ie not on C where the pitch is unaffected) but that can be adjusted in Simpler.

I like recording my creativity in MIDI, less disk space on LOOONG recordings and it's more flexible during production.

How many samples? thousands muahuahuahuauha I do have sampler plug-ins but I want to keep the CPU usage low as possible so the rest of the track can run.

Did you not read Machinate's suggestion?

ben_blue · Post by **ben_blue** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:55 am

maybe he got impulse and simpler confused, or didnt realize impulse was suggested.

impulse will do what u want. simpler wont.
but impulse will!

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:07 pm

Yeah, I missed the Impulse reference and read it as Simpler. I never knew you could drop samples into Impulse, that's beautiful. For years I've tried clicking all over the instrument to load a sample, I missed the obvious solution, Impulse has a new meaning to me. Definitely time to RTFM.

So the other half is getting two or more Impulses to respond to different midi notes, ie Impulse #1 is on C3-B3, #2 is on C4-B4, etc. One of the midi effects I imagine.

Thanks to you all. \m/

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:40 pm

DeadlyKungFu wrote:So the other half is getting two or more Impulses to respond to different midi notes, ie Impulse #1 is on C3-B3, #2 is on C4-B4, etc. One of the midi effects I imagine.

Use a Scale device on each of the Impulse channels. Set it (for example) to scale each C->C, C#->D, D->E, D#->F, E->G and so forth. I started making an .als for you, but I'm too tired to see straight. But it's doable!

Cheers,
Mikael

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:28 pm

Lo-Fi, Shortcircuit free is 2 poly only...

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:31 am

Machinate wrote:Lo-Fi, Shortcircuit free is 2 poly only...

Yep! But he was talking about making cut-up "sentences". From "Shortcircuit free is 2 poly only" he'd make for example "Only Poly is free" in real time. Only one word spoken at a time - monophonic!

Cheers,
Mikael