FATTEN up the mix
FATTEN up the mix
It seems as if my mixes are all lacking that big nugg.
I've thrown an EQ on the master, But... it still doesn't sound like it has ballz.
What am I missing along the way? This program beats any on the market.
What the integrated solution here?
THX,
Sky
I've thrown an EQ on the master, But... it still doesn't sound like it has ballz.
What am I missing along the way? This program beats any on the market.
What the integrated solution here?
THX,
Sky
Fatten up the mix
perfect point.
Say I play an mp3 mix designed in Live5 on a pair of nice headphones. IT SOUNDS AWESOME!
Now...
Say I play th same mp3 made in live5, on some quality speakers. It too sounds awesome. Now if i play someone elses song not made in live but of simliar style, on the same speakers, it seems that the comparison of ballz on my mix is lacking.
So what I;m saying is how do oI get my levels to compare. Is it just mastering expertise?
Say I play an mp3 mix designed in Live5 on a pair of nice headphones. IT SOUNDS AWESOME!
Now...
Say I play th same mp3 made in live5, on some quality speakers. It too sounds awesome. Now if i play someone elses song not made in live but of simliar style, on the same speakers, it seems that the comparison of ballz on my mix is lacking.
So what I;m saying is how do oI get my levels to compare. Is it just mastering expertise?
Sadly enough ues it is!! Let me put it this way it's not just the pure volume level that gives a track "balls" it's also the frequency range. Most standard limiters can make anything as loud as a commercial cd without a problem, but if your track isn't eq properly it will sound weak next to a pro release.
I myself, suck at mastering and have been using a program "auto audio mastering system version 2" which masters my track to a source file I designate. I've had good results with it, but the results are not "professional." A hell of alot better than what I was doing on my own however!!
I myself, suck at mastering and have been using a program "auto audio mastering system version 2" which masters my track to a source file I designate. I've had good results with it, but the results are not "professional." A hell of alot better than what I was doing on my own however!!
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Compression!
The secret to a "modern" sound is to use lots of compression. (Hey, don't kill the messenger...it is true). Doing compression well is really hard, but a must if your music is going to sound pro. At least if we are talking electronic dance music or even pop.
Experiment a lot with compressors. Don't overdo it. Be careful to keep the peak audio level at the same level all the time, otherwise you are just fooling your ears.
The secret to a "modern" sound is to use lots of compression. (Hey, don't kill the messenger...it is true). Doing compression well is really hard, but a must if your music is going to sound pro. At least if we are talking electronic dance music or even pop.
Experiment a lot with compressors. Don't overdo it. Be careful to keep the peak audio level at the same level all the time, otherwise you are just fooling your ears.
to me the key is sound selection, what sounds good / excellent on its own very often isn't that great when colliding against everything else in a mix.
thats why people tend to carve with eq, to make enough notches for the bass sound/kick/kit/pads/ etc to shine through.
often if you heard what you might think was a fat pad on its own it would sound a little weird and weedy. So really, there is a world of skills that need to be obtained in the mix stage to get a good sound.
If you find them - let me know
thats why people tend to carve with eq, to make enough notches for the bass sound/kick/kit/pads/ etc to shine through.
often if you heard what you might think was a fat pad on its own it would sound a little weird and weedy. So really, there is a world of skills that need to be obtained in the mix stage to get a good sound.
If you find them - let me know
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Actually its multiband compression you want rather than just a plain compressor.
A good mix is often a combination of a good listening environment, taking your time, some eq, and some multiband compression/limiting.
Have a look at Ozone http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/ozone/
See if the demo version helps with the sound your after
A good mix is often a combination of a good listening environment, taking your time, some eq, and some multiband compression/limiting.
Have a look at Ozone http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/ozone/
See if the demo version helps with the sound your after
Only if I had enough money to go to Full Sail a recording arts school here in America and get that PRO learning. But something that always helps my mixes is duplicate your tracks and pan each track say hard left and the other hard right or just a little panning on each and eq on both tracks this really helps. I read this is so many MAGZ to get that full production sound. It doesnt always work for everything like others have said selection EQ carving Multi-band compression. I always wanting to get Oztope Im downloading the demo again. I also use Reaktor 5 Flatblaster 2.1 works really wel. It has some good presets.
I hope this thread keeps going with more tips. This is a good topic
Later
Dustin
I hope this thread keeps going with more tips. This is a good topic
Later
Dustin
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Could you explain more on this? What is the difference between having duplicate tracks panned left/right, and just having one stereo track?dbolt wrote: But something that always helps my mixes is duplicate your tracks and pan each track say hard left and the other hard right or just a little panning on each and eq on both tracks this really helps.
Is there different processing on the left and right side?
I think I have heard this technique used, where the left and right sound the same, but different....but I haven't been able to figure out exactly what's going on...
ethios4 wrote:
Well I usually have duplicate tracks just panned alittle to the left and right, 1/4 each way. This makes it much louder having the 4 stereo tracks going out. I also read about the hard panning technique, Its seems like a stereo imaging type of effect someone correct me if im wrong. I can see like a mono track that sits right in the middle vs that stereo spectrum that sits a finds that pocket; like a good bass line it has to ride that pocket to really drive the song.
Im really starting to see how hard it is to really get that solid mix where every sound has to have its own space in such a small area when your dealing with just stereo paths. I try all sorts of EQ carving but with no PRO experience just my own natural ears with no training.
After listening to my MBM Wild Remix for the 3rd MAster. Just not quite their yet. It made me call FULL SAIL Recording Arts School in Winter PArk, FL only maybe 6 to 10 hours away. WOW 12 month Assoicates degree $43,000. You know if I had all the money I spent on MAGZ I could have well only about a thousand of it, maybe, not really.
Good Thread lets keep it going!
Later
Dustin
Could you explain more on this? What is the difference between having duplicate tracks panned left/right, and just having one stereo track?
Is there different processing on the left and right side?
Well I usually have duplicate tracks just panned alittle to the left and right, 1/4 each way. This makes it much louder having the 4 stereo tracks going out. I also read about the hard panning technique, Its seems like a stereo imaging type of effect someone correct me if im wrong. I can see like a mono track that sits right in the middle vs that stereo spectrum that sits a finds that pocket; like a good bass line it has to ride that pocket to really drive the song.
Im really starting to see how hard it is to really get that solid mix where every sound has to have its own space in such a small area when your dealing with just stereo paths. I try all sorts of EQ carving but with no PRO experience just my own natural ears with no training.
After listening to my MBM Wild Remix for the 3rd MAster. Just not quite their yet. It made me call FULL SAIL Recording Arts School in Winter PArk, FL only maybe 6 to 10 hours away. WOW 12 month Assoicates degree $43,000. You know if I had all the money I spent on MAGZ I could have well only about a thousand of it, maybe, not really.
Good Thread lets keep it going!
Later
Dustin
I'm just learning the ropes of mixing myself. Duplicating your basslines and panning hard in both directions adds a lot of width. Something else my buddy taught me was to duplicate your final track... like a rendered mix. Carve out EVERYTHING but the high-highs. Put some reverb on it and mix it in until you barely hear the difference. Adds some nice air!
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Reference listening
You might wanna try digging in to stuff like this http://www.digido.com/
Check out the "CD honour roll" from the menu on the left hand side - read the whole works.... and also read the "How to make better recordings, part 2"
it helped me alot in understanding why my mixes sounded flat.( I know they speak of ancient recordings and dinosaur rock in the article - but the techniques and general principles are the same for modern day recordings)
When you do a mastering project - try to have a track containing a "well mastered, and well known HIT of you choice" in your project, for reference listening, that way you can "easily" match the absolute loudness of your mix to the "pro mix" that you use for guidance.
"Dub music is natural - like breathing in your sleep - don't fight it
Check out the "CD honour roll" from the menu on the left hand side - read the whole works.... and also read the "How to make better recordings, part 2"
it helped me alot in understanding why my mixes sounded flat.( I know they speak of ancient recordings and dinosaur rock in the article - but the techniques and general principles are the same for modern day recordings)
When you do a mastering project - try to have a track containing a "well mastered, and well known HIT of you choice" in your project, for reference listening, that way you can "easily" match the absolute loudness of your mix to the "pro mix" that you use for guidance.
"Dub music is natural - like breathing in your sleep - don't fight it