Groove/ Swing templates for drums

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Groove/ Swing templates for drums

Post by joeysilvero » Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:37 am

Ok ive read great tutorials in CM about doing this in Cubase sx,
but is it possible in Live at all ??

i want to create some groove templates for drums and if possible extract and create some from existing Audio loops but apply these groove to my own programmed beats.

im just trying to get some shuffle and swing into my hi hats !!

cheers joe

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Post by Smashed Hat » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:14 pm

Fire your loops through Recycle and get the MIDI groove file.

That always works for me.
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Post by joeysilvero » Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:35 pm

oh cool, then just use the midi files in Live with my own drum sets,
so you cant create swing grooves to apply to midi in live then ?


thanks joe

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Post by mercyplease » Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:19 am

Yes I think thats what hes saying and you can import your cubase midi grooves fyi.

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Post by joeysilvero » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:51 am

so you cant nudge hi hats or anything to create swing ?
as quantise only affects the end of start of a sample, doesnt seem to move the drums,

joe

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Post by TranNgoc2010 » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:24 am

Hello I am Tran from Vietnam

You can apply your own swing settings with that little box next to the tempo. I would not go far as to say it is MPC cool but it is good, yes? Or if you have a Phatmatik sampler you can extract the midi, drag and drop I believe from a loop, I am using it in Vietnam at the moment. Thank you.

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Post by mercyplease » Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:22 pm

joeysilvero wrote:so you cant nudge hi hats or anything to create swing ?
as quantise only affects the end of start of a sample, doesnt seem to move the drums,

joe
Yes you can nudge hats or anything else for that matter.

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Post by joeysilvero » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:19 am

really, am i missing something ?? its not in quantize is it ?
as it only moves the end or start of my midi drum hits ??


joe

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Post by dancing Ray » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:15 am

just program the notes you want, select them all and use the quantize function of the menue. then not only start and end but the whole note will be moved.

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Post by joeysilvero » Mon May 22, 2006 12:38 pm

ok i have some swing templates some one has sent me, is it possible to import these into live and use them as a quantize template ??

joe

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Post by ILTK » Mon May 22, 2006 2:31 pm

To get normal swingtime in Live just select notes you want to add swing to, then in quantize dialog use 16th triplets and 'end' of, then set the percentage to something like 10% and you have swingtime quantization.

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Post by M. Bréqs » Mon May 22, 2006 10:59 pm

You cannot apply custom groove templates in Live (yet). All you can do is use their "swing" function.

It's like giving a painter only one colour to work with in my opinion.

A lot of people have been begging since version 2 for this feature. This question was addressed on this recent thread, posted the 9th of May 2006.
M. Bréqs wrote:
drewdrops wrote:Wishing to use groove quantize in Ableton but coulden't find how to anywhere. I know in Cubase/Logic your able to but what about Ableton?
Nope. If you want it, post your request on the following feature request threads...

more grooves please
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22582

Groove Template
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25561

groove templates, & allow swing to modify grid
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23281

Global Groove function
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6912

best quantize functions ...
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14704

Various Groove Support for Warp
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26617

Flashback 1996... New Feature: Groove Quantize!!!
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25309

Proper GROOVE features and intelligent quantising.
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11907

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Post by M. Bréqs » Mon May 22, 2006 10:59 pm

joeysilvero wrote:ok i have some swing templates some one has sent me, is it possible to import these into live and use them as a quantize template ??

joe
No.

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Post by joeysilvero » Tue May 23, 2006 1:46 pm

big shame, sorry i did search for this topic, sometimes searching forums dont even bring up the results you searched for at all

shame you can import templates, would help alot of people out
i prefer to programme beats for house music rather than use loops
so i have more control but i need some swing in my hats to make them shuffle and roll, 16th etc way too tight, no swing

thanks joe

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Post by M. Bréqs » Wed May 24, 2006 8:17 pm

joeysilvero wrote:big shame, sorry i did search for this topic, sometimes searching forums dont even bring up the results you searched for at all

shame you can import templates, would help alot of people out
i prefer to programme beats for house music rather than use loops
so i have more control but i need some swing in my hats to make them shuffle and roll, 16th etc way too tight, no swing

thanks joe
Yeah, it is a big shame. Keep an eye out for version six, I've been the biggest whiner about this feature on the boards for a long while.

I just find that I get bored of the same 1/16 swing or 1/8 swing all the time. Yawn. Sure, you COULD program your beats that way, but when you're doing really fast, live and improvised note placement during a show you can't get right in there and delay or advance certain notes by a bit with the quantize off - it's just a mess.

Groove templates would really help out a lot!

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