Stabs Technique

klash · Post by **klash** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:13 pm

Does anyone knows the technique used to create the stabs in this wicked track :
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF1256102-02-01-02.mp3
I mean just after the break, sounds like delays, but there is a nice groovy feeling that I've been trying to reproduce unsuccessfully ...
Thanks in advance for any idea...

PS: The track is Itamar Sagi's Dream theater.

klash · Post by **klash** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:38 am

reading my post this morning make me think that I wasn't clear enough last night.
I don't want to reproduce the Stab sound, I'm just interested in the effects applied to the stabs, figure out what they are to use that technique on other sounds...
thanks ...

Funkstar De Luxe · Post by **Funkstar De Luxe** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:20 pm

It's just a delay with a high pass filter - I think. It's an unusual rhythm though.

klash · Post by **klash** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:15 am

Thanks bro, put it doesn't really help me , it's that " strange " feeling that i'm after...
anyone ?

spiral · Post by **spiral** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:46 am

do you mean the woo woo type sounds?
if so i reckon medium attack, some modulation and a slow lfo to trigger the modulation, thats how i'd try to get that type of sound on my analogue gear

klash · Post by **klash** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:25 pm

no , not the analog woo woo, just the stabs who comes after the break, with the drums...
thx anyway

Funkstar De Luxe · Post by **Funkstar De Luxe** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:36 pm

The synth also has some (white/pink) noise mix with it... Can't tell you any more

Michael-SW · Post by **Michael-SW** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:47 am

Some sort of triplet rythm? That usually sounds funky.

TrierMusic · Post by **TrierMusic** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:36 pm

Dude, this is nuts - what is this music? The snippet you posted was awesome.

As for the stabs - during the break I'd reckon it's a delay set to triplets - but it sounds like there's also some 8th note repeats going on underneath. Also sometimes its 8th note triplets, sometimes quarter-notes - time to use the envelope automation!

As for once the beat comes in, I think the hits are are 3 8th notes or 3 16th notes in duration or something similar - it's syncopated and doesn't fit into the "multiples of 2" grid of a nice four-on-the-floor house beat. Probably the easiest way to do this is to shorten your midi clip or whatever to a length that's NOT 2 or 4 or 8 or etc...Hope that makes sense!

anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:18 pm

Sounds like quarter-note triplets to me. Poly-rhythms. 3 over 2 type stuff. Add a little delay, and you will get funky stuff.

Best,
AB

LouisC · Post by **LouisC** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:38 am

a very tricky one. it even sounds like some of those delays and stuff have a bit of swing on it.
and i think there are different delay timings, one for the left channel and one for the right.

the more and more i listen to it the more i don't hear any set pattern or structure. maybe it's all random.

Electric tribe · Post by **Electric tribe** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:42 am

done using a ping pong delay. i.e L and R delay times are different and panned hard L and R respectively.

could get simiar effect with L as 1/8, R as 3/16 (1/16 delay with 3x factor)

mix of input and output signal (wet/dry mix) is roughly the same as original stabs kinda blend in.

timing of original stabs is in a 3/16 interval or similar variation as far as can workout...

hope that's some help

Julian/Penfold

siliconarc · Post by **siliconarc** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:40 am

just knocked this up using live 5.2 preset sounds
http://www.mediafire.com/?eyzz3f9t4g5

i think it's sort of there, timing-wise. like everyone said, its in 3's, but still on a 16 grid, no need for different time sigs for the clip. i just added 20% quantize at 16/16t for a light push back on certain stabs.

klash · Post by **klash** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:53 pm

Yes !!! It's really close, thanks a lot Gary !
and thanks to all the people who helped on this...